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Response to LooseWilly (Reply #62)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:17 AM

64. oppression,

Yes we are oppressed. I agreed with most of the description you gave of how US people are oppressed.

In my opinion the Soviet Union was no better. I'm not saying they did nothing good or positive. They had many good impacts globally. But on basic human rights they were lacking. We can learn from their successes and their failures.

For example people should be able to start a fanzine with a printing press in their garage and say things like "wow our government sucks". You couldn't do that in the USSR. They had a crappy human rights record. As does the USA, UK, France, Exxon, Shell, Haliburton, etc. Just as bad.

Even as workers, I'm not sure how free they really were. Whether they were able to have a choice of where they worked. And did workers actually have a voice on the job? Was there any democratic control over the workplaces? What was the labor organizing situation there? I'm not too sure about that. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt on the whole "oppression of workers" thing. Even though they really don't deserve it.

How many socialists say "Wow we really need to re-create a USSR-style system?" I guess not many. If you talk to people that lived in those countries under "Communism", they always say it was horrible.

I don't have a problem saying western capitalism is oppression of the human spirit and dignity. I'm not defending it. But can you say USSR Communism was oppression of human spirit and dignity in a slightly different way?

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