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Response to joshcryer (Reply #42)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:46 AM

49. The workers themselves DO constitute a "state" if they take over the "machinery" of a state and

use it to implement their interests in place of the interests of the capitalists/industrialists/rich/1%/bourgeoisie ...

I wasn't so much playing a word game as postulating a future state base on Marxist-Leninist theory. In the USSR the soviets were the means by which the workers "implemented their interests"... did it work perfectly?.... I don't know, wasn't there... but does the system created by the slave-owning "founding fathers" work as they intended?...

One thing's for certain, unless a state manages to maintain a "hot" civil war indefinitely (as Somalia seems to have managed), then a "state" of some sort will inevitably develop... it's generally referred to as "civilization".

So, if one is trying to postulate possible futures... one either takes steps to consider a possible government (as Lenin did, as well as Jefferson), or one tries to create a scenario in which a civil war carries on ad infinitum at a level that is so "hot" as to make it too costly for any power to come in and settle matters and help "govern" once the dust settles.

Pray tell, what other scenario do you envision in which anarchy can exist amidst so many organized powers?

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