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LooseWilly

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13. What, precisely, is the difference between "socialism" and "totalitarianism"? US acquiescence?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:04 AM
Apr 2012

Swedish Socialism is ok, because there're "votes" and US corporations are allowed to run rampant... but Russian socialism was bad because... there were no votings outside of the party votes?... or because US corporations weren't allowed to run rampant?

I would suggest that the difference is really one of acceptability to US imperialist interests... with the nominal "vote" held up as a sort of substitute for the real issue of complicity with US imperial interests, or opposition to said imperial interests.

Cuban socialism doesn't "play nice" with US corporate interests... it's "totalitarian".

The USSR didn't "play nice" with US corporate interests (as they were evolving post WWII)... it was "totalitarian".

The UK "signed up" for NATO and sent advisors to help CIA, etc, develop into agencies capable of running a (Imperial)/"Global" military/political establishment... they are "socialist".

Sweden?— Socialist.

North Korea?— Totalitarian.

Saudi Arabia?— Socialist (?).

Iran?— Totalitarian.

Bolivia?— "Free market".

Che?— Dead in the streets.

If you are pro-Cuba but anti-Che... then you are pro-Cuba but pro-Cuba in the way the Koch brothers are pro-USA... giddy at the thought of potential exploitation of a portion of the population of one's country that may not be savvy enough to defend themselves from your (or your associates') abuse.

I'm proud to be.. ok, willing to be acknowledged as... a member of an Iranian family that lost considerable economic power in THAT revolution... which likewise undermined the finances and political/economic control of US collaborators over the most profitable sectors of the local economy.

I feel for your half-breed children, much as I feel for my half-breed self... but that selfish basis of "woe is me" at the hands of the revolutionaries is just... embarrassing.

You should be embarrassed, tough guy.

The notion that Cuba, or Iran, can institute Democratic institutions, in the face of incipient US aggression... is a non-serious talking point.

It is up to the US government to take a half-breath and promise no hostilities as a result, and possibly even some rewards... before a serious effort to take "democratic" steps can be made by any of the governments currently under threats of one sort or another by the US agencies...

I'm curious to hear though, how you could possibly "bad mouth" Che without giving yourself away as an apologist of the rich and powerful... Have fun giving that a shot...

In 2012 they would use a drone. Downwinder Apr 2012 #1
We should condemn the murder of Che, both the murder he did and his captors murdering him. eomer Apr 2012 #2
When a slave throws off his shackles MrYikes Apr 2012 #3
Cubans haven't thrown off their shackles, just got a different master. (eom) eomer Apr 2012 #4
Please read the TOS for our group - TBF Apr 2012 #5
There is a difference between socialism and totalitarianism. Is this a safe haven for the latter? eomer Apr 2012 #6
As a host I'm going to give my 2 cents on this poster. white_wolf Apr 2012 #7
We posted almost exactly at the same time - TBF Apr 2012 #9
Jinx times three. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #11
Given that they were blocked I should downplay my criticism of State Socialisms, I think. joshcryer May 2012 #22
Open borders for people, closed borders for bananas. TBF May 2012 #24
That's fair enough, but I think some of my earliest posts here would qualify for that. joshcryer May 2012 #26
Yes I totally missed that entire thread - TBF May 2012 #29
"This includes no "you're a dictator-lover" " is in the SOP. Starry Messenger May 2012 #25
OK, that at least makes me feel a bit better on that count, as I don't think I'd feel the need... joshcryer May 2012 #27
This is our SOP: Starry Messenger May 2012 #28
I refer you to this sentence: TBF Apr 2012 #8
And I'm very much interested in those topics and see it much as you do. eomer Apr 2012 #12
I don't buy your "true story" of Che, and I also don't buy your interpretation of Cuba. TBF Apr 2012 #18
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. joshcryer May 2012 #23
This is a safe haven for supporters of socialism. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #10
What, precisely, is the difference between "socialism" and "totalitarianism"? US acquiescence? LooseWilly Apr 2012 #13
Seen simply, socialism and totalitarianism are orthogonol. But it's not really that simple. eomer Apr 2012 #14
There is no basis for the statement that there is no consent of the people. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #15
We disagree. eomer Apr 2012 #16
And it had to be that way MrYikes Apr 2012 #17
Word - in fact they almost did TBF Apr 2012 #19
no more than people in the us do. HiPointDem May 2012 #20
You do realize the Sixth Congress was what implemented the privitization plans... joshcryer May 2012 #21
Life expectancy is the highest in Latin America, lowest infant mortality rate, no starvation... Taverner May 2012 #30
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