Response to AProgressiveThinker (Reply #23)
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:27 AM
bettyellen (25,513 posts)
26. took the words out of my mouth?
1. Yes, men have historically have had to do more of the physical labor (from feudal societies all the way to the industrial era)
Women were also expected to HAVE baby after baby, year after year- not just care for them. That's MORE labor, and no autonomy. Between times, they worked in the fields growing that food, not just cooking it. Later, women worked in urban factories where they made 30-40% of what men made for their factory jobs. The lifestyle you describe was ONLY common in post WW2 America during an economic boom, before that- it was only true of upper middle class families. Not ever the norm. It's even more irrelevant today- when most women are expected to bear children, work outside the house, and have jobs.
2. I said lily ledbetter may eventually become more efficient, and it is a good federal statute, but I question its efficiency.
Lilly Ledbetter has no teeth because they are serious time constraints put on the victim of discrimination, and efforts to repair the law have been shot down. You said something vague about whether it is effective- but why not do some research know of what you speak? - that would be helpful if you want anybody to take you seriously.
3. I NEVER said girls were overall luckier than men for those reasons. I said in those aspects such as dating and marrying, it is easier for them, but I mention about 3 times in the video that I know women have it harder than a man i.e. Facing discrimination, getting a job, getting equal wages to a man in the same job etc.
You went off about "hot" women, and knowingly excluded the majority of women and prattled on as if this was relevant (and not insulting) somehow- so please do go on- why are outdated social mores (that only have to do with a small segment of women) relevant at all when discussing equal rights? Why did you list their "advantages"- what was your point if not to claim this evened the score for (hot) girls? Why leave out the 80% that are not hot in your calculations? I'm not even going to go on about rape, or the very serious lack of reproductive rights many women in America face, both of which make this dating and marriage thing quite a bit more difficult than you've ever dared to contemplate. We've got a lot more serious issues to think about than who buys the engagement ring. And believe it or not, women do ask men on dates and even propose marriage- many skip the ring thing or buy their own. Again, it's not the 1950's anymore.
You took the words out of my mouth.
Huh? I only pulled a few of the nonsensical and pointless (dating) inaccurate (work life) and sterotypical (hot girls have it better than dudes) statements off the top of my head. Unfortunately, there were many more (including MRA swill about men suffering equally from abuse at womens' hands- which appears to be the sum of your "research"). OY.
I didn't want to put more effort into my reply than you did in spewing this rant. I'm not doing the homework for you- although a few generous people here have suggested some resources so you could actually begin tackle this subject from an informed perspective. You list a lot of thing "you know" but have failed to piece them together into anything meaningful at all. You presented a laundry list of "facts"- some of which are blatantly false, others outdated by generations, and completely left out women's struggle for reproductive rights which are currently under serious attack. You obviously failed to give this issue any serious thought and consideration, yet would like to advise people who have.
If you want to continue on exploring the issue, there are some great suggestions and food for thought here in this thread. I'm hoping to see that you are interested enough to follow through and respond thoughtfully on the topic. It would be interesting to see what you have to say after you have research under your belt, and a greater understanding of the topic.
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