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FunkyLeprechaun

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47. Allow me to rebut

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

Jan 2013

Although the video isn't subtitled so here's what I'm assuming is happening- they train the shooters, they arm the shooters and the shooters, rightly so, assume there will be a guy coming in with a gun. This situation is called a controlled experiment, EVERYONE knows there will be a guy with a gun coming in (why else is EVERYONE dressed similarly). They wanted to test the reaction time of the people who have concealed weapons against someone who bursts in.

They do a distraction experiment (talking about putting on gloves/masks/etc) and soon, the CCW person isn't thinking about the gun to protect themselves- they are paying attention to what is being said in class. When the guy bursts in, it shows they are wholly unprepared to defend themselves because they were engrossed in the lecture and when they quickly try to shoot the guy they get shot.

I'd say this closely reflects reality. How often are you thinking about "well I have a gun right here, I'm protected" compared to "What do we need for dinner tonight?" "What movie's being shown?" etc. You will get engrossed in the activity and you will not be prepared when someone actually comes in with a gun.

If you're saying it's biased, I'd say you're talking out of your butt.

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Proof: Concealed carry permit holders live in a dream world...... [View all] Bennyboy Jan 2013 OP

Really interesting video. Thanks for posting. Shrike47 Jan 2013 #1

The video was biased. Please see post #4. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #5

Total Bullshit! onehandle Jan 2013 #2

That is really important. Everyone on both sides should be required to watch it. Squinch Jan 2013 #3

I have seen it many times. It is still biased. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #6

That was staged for the CCWer to fail. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #4

By all means,...let's keep the myth of the hero alive. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #7

So you have no rebuttal for my points about the video. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #8

No need. I'm sure you would do better.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #19

Except that: Squinch Jan 2013 #9

And the police instructor knew who would be shooting at him,... GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #10

Except that Squinch Jan 2013 #11

Please stay in Texas Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #16

I've participated in a similar scenario with simunitions. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #21

I call bullshit Sky Masterson Jan 2013 #35

You are free to think so. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #38

I call BS FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #48

If I'm in a situation where I think I am part of a simulation AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #49

N/S FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #50

Very different mindset. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #56

It's impossible to think of two things at once FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #57

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #58

How often is the thing that you're typing FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #63

Gotta be a reason why the video has 3,446 likes and 26,517 dislikes. alp227 Jan 2013 #13

It's got 26,517 dislikes b/c gun nuts & their sock puppets like voting in anonymous internet polls. baldguy Jan 2013 #68

In a real situation the student wouldn't be even as prepared as this. Kablooie Jan 2013 #20

Many of these gunmen are wearing body armour Sky Masterson Jan 2013 #34

Calling bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #39

Mozambique drill for body armor. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #46

Allow me to rebut FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #47

You didn't rebut a single point that I made. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #59

I did FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2013 #62

I gave you a list of things they could have done to make it a fair test. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #64

Ok, let's go with a few real life situations then jeff47 Jan 2013 #53

Here are some other real-life situations: GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #60

And I can post many more where gun owners fail jeff47 Jan 2013 #65

Very few people are armed in public. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #66

Any criticisms based on the idea of the shooter having knowledge baldguy Jan 2013 #67

WOW!! People who think they're going to defend themselves are deluded!!! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #12

This video does a disservice. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #14

Projectile Dysfunction Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #15

LOL. You just reminded me of my Conservative Grandmother who lived in Southern California rightsideout Jan 2013 #52

Anyone who doesn't know when a shooter will show up is set up to fail. Period. That's life. ancianita Jan 2013 #17

I don't suppose you noticed that AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #22

That said, this video can also be said to fairly approximate defense success irl. ancianita Jan 2013 #23

Sure, I totally agree. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #25

One Big Policy Change that I'm for is that CCW be vastly more limited than it now is. ancianita Jan 2013 #27

Why? CCW holders are general not the problem. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #29

Then which gun owners are? nt ancianita Jan 2013 #30

Criminals. Work on stopping them.. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #31

Not all CCW are criminals, but all criminals conceal their weapons to their intended advantage. nt ancianita Jan 2013 #32

And most of them can't *get* a permit. So what's your point? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #33

Working on the criminal element means that if they can see open carriers around, they're less ancianita Jan 2013 #42

And criminals carry illegally. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #36

Why not. There's a compelling public interest in maintaining public safety. There's no talking ancianita Jan 2013 #43

Every shooter who has knowledge of which individual in the room is armed is set up to succeed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #41

Just what I was wondering about today. Kablooie Jan 2013 #18

According to the video, not very. nt ancianita Jan 2013 #24

If every single person was armed one might get lucky and shoot the assailant. Kablooie Jan 2013 #26

I think I want to post a thread connected to this idea of safety with guns. ancianita Jan 2013 #28

A month or two without training and you're back to square one. Robb Jan 2013 #37

Msg to all DU members who have a CCP ...leave DU. L0oniX Jan 2013 #40

How to deal with gun access and use IS the news lately. The only group agenda, as I see it, is ancianita Jan 2013 #44

Here's the real GUN NUT in the room... L0oniX Jan 2013 #45

Yeah. I believe everything I see on the intertubes too. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #51

Here is some more proof! Soundman Jan 2013 #54

The North Hollywood shoot-out proves nothing about CCW. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #74

CCW people are going to hate me rightsideout Jan 2013 #55

Definately a gun is not for you. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #61

Wow... HawkeyeLibkid Jan 2013 #69

Just be observant of your surroundings. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #70

No, your projecting HawkeyeLibkid Jan 2013 #71

You are the first person responsible for your safety. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #72

Once again HawkeyeLibkid Jan 2013 #73