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BlueStreak

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4. It is a shell game
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

All that talk about millionaire tax rate going from 36 to 39 is bullshit. Almost none of the income is paid at that rate. That isn't how the 0.1% are escaping their fair share. They are evading their fair share by:

1) Loopholes that allow them to launder their income as cap gains, and pay only 15% on that. The Bush plan cut cap gains from 20% to 15%. Have you heard a single word about restoring cap gains to 20% ? I have not.

2) abusive shelters that avoid paying taxes altogether.

So what we need is this. Leave the damn 36% alone if you want. Nobody pays that anyway. We need:

a) Get rid of Carried Interest and other loopholes that allow the rich to abuse the cap gains rate

b) Put the cap gains rate at least back up to 20% or better yet, treat cap gains as ordinary income, just as freaking RONALD REAGAN did.

c) Institute an alternate minimum tax and other laws to remove the incentive for these Enron-style complex tax shelters.

Obama's "Grand Bargain" Delusion [View all] limpyhobbler Nov 2012 OP
I won't watch your video, but I can imagine what it's about. My biggest hope is that folks like you Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #1
We Have Eight Weeks to Protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #2
It is a shell game BlueStreak Nov 2012 #4
That seems pretty sensible limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #9
Yes. Absolutely. mmonk Nov 2012 #24
8 weeks? The fiscal cliff has been pushed until Spring of 2013... joshcryer Nov 2012 #23
The sequestration takes effect Jan 2, 2013, doesn't it? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #25
The immediate effects are minimal. joshcryer Nov 2012 #26
The "8 weeks" came from the AFL-CIO blog post, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #27
That's what I don't like about that blog post. joshcryer Nov 2012 #28
They have an "8 weeks" theme going on... limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #29
I think there's zero chance the Congress compromises until after they expire. joshcryer Nov 2012 #30
Well at least y'all aren't even pretending to not hate OWS anymore. JoeyT Nov 2012 #6
I can't speak for "yall", but find a post where I "pretended" that I gave a shit about OWS. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #12
please do not interact with me at all in the future. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #13
Then you probably shouldn't post then. AFAIK, this is a discussion board. Of course, you don't... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #14
ok fine. if you insist. Are you ok with Obama cutting social security benefits as part of a deal? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #15
If he can explain why, and how much it will impact the beneficiary to my satisfaction, then Yes! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #16
Sir, you disgust me. All Social Security cutters please be gone from my sight. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #17
Why? Because you might have to work a couple of years longer before you retire to... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #18
Anyone who advocates cutting social security benefits should leave the Democratic Party and leave limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #19
Anyone who doesn't accept reality, should be shot into out of space, or join the Green Party. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #21
Reality: There are ways to save money without cutting vital public services. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #22
I watched the video. My biggest hope is that the fiscal hawks worried about Medicare allow Drug Vincardog Nov 2012 #3
Yes, please. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #8
Agreed except don't raise the cap Eliminate it and apply it to Financial gains too. Why should Vincardog Nov 2012 #10
exactly. nt limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #11
Obama "grand bargain" hahaha gutierrez Nov 2012 #5
Bullshit dcmfox Nov 2012 #20
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