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In the discussion thread: Chris Hedges on Pornography, discussing Empire of Illusion on BookTV [View all]

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

103. Upthread you've asserted your right to ignore my questions.

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That's fine, but it makes it all the more ludicrous when you attempt to order me to provide you with sourcing. And that's what this is really all about, isn't it? People -consenting adults- who refuse to follow your orders, your edicts, your dictates?

I'm sure, all verrrrrry frustrating.

Like I said: you back up with statistical data your claim about what constitutes the "most popular kind of porn", along with other hard, actual (ie not just the authoritative-sounding word of some Valerie Solanis-idolizing women's studies prof) evidence of widespread non-consent, etc. in adult entertainment... And you respond to my other questions, which I asked you first: then I'll do your research for you, and extensively document the readily obvious, ie that Dworkin was batshit nuts, at least by the time she died.

As it is, even her "radfem" allies doubted her odd 1999 tale of drugs, rape and psychic mental telekinetic penis-pursuit by shadowy CIA French waiters.

Of course, if she was nuts (and she was) the standard default response is to "blame the patriarchy™"

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106 replies	Author	Time	Post
Chris Hedges on Pornography, discussing Empire of Illusion on BookTV [View all]	redqueen	Apr 2012	OP
chomsky, hedges, we on the left CHEER, except when talking porn	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#1
+1. So does mine.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#4
i got to listen to my husband talk to our 14 yr old son	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#5
They should learn the real story behind the 'star' of 'Deep Throat.'	freshwest	Apr 2012	#6
thank you. you saved me time....	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#8
A lot of people watching porn are watching women being raped.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#21
So are you saying ALL women in porn are being 'raped'?	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#32
Read more carefully.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#36
But you can't back up that claim.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#37
I suggest you do more research.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#39
"extremely popular and getting more popular by the day. The most popular kind is..." Data, please.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#41
Those statements arw based on what.porn producers say. nt	redqueen	Apr 2012	#45
They are?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#47
That's not a fact, that's your perception which is heavily colored by your biased supposition.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#87
I dont think you've seen any actual porn, I think you're hearing about it from anti-porn "activists"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#40
Why the.focus on me?	redqueen	Apr 2012	#42
Because you're making all sorts of statements about how people in porn feel, how they can't	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#44
You're obviously not reading my posts. I'm done wasting my time. Chomsky is anti porn. nt	redqueen	Apr 2012	#46
Chomsky also has some bass-ackwards ideas about Israel.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#48
Actually, Chomsky is 100% on the money when it comes to Israel.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#89
Not to steer this train off into I/P land, that's not the view espoused by Chomsky I meant.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#94
The definition of time wasting is trying to do battle w/ things like heterosexual penetrative sex	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#74
Sasha Grey: "Here's a woman who's intelligent, cognizant and making her own choices"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#79
Obviously, she got brainwashed by The Patriarchy to say those things...	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#88
I'm sure Hedges, the amateur mental health diagnostician, would say she has a case of "PTSD"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#93
Yeah, it's funny how easy it is for most people to just ignore these particular kinds of abusive.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#14
Wait no... no, it isn't. It's just sad.	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#22
It'd be more sad if you realized that for all the people who admit to looking at porn	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#72
I don't know one single person whom I agree with 100% of the time.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#31
thank you for posting this	KT2000	Apr 2012	#2
Eventually it has to be recognized.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#15
I know. Morally damaged and soul sick women exploited by planned parenthood	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#97
Amen. I get so weary of leftist males ever comprehending this.	zazen	Apr 2012	#3
It's sad to think how many people had their first experience with porn as children.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#16
Yes, sort of how I get weepy over the rampant flimhatzerry with the snarfwaddles	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#51
If you bother attempting to engage with me and dare to think	redqueen	Apr 2012	#63
Well, I asked you a straightforward question: does "the patriarchy" encompass all or most	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#68
That sounds an awful lot like holding rap music and video games responsible for juvenile delinquency	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#90
If, like you say, most men AND women on the left disagree with you, maybe you're in the wrong.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#33
Apparently, some women will never be happy until they are in charge of how CONSENTING ADULTS	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#49
Andrea Dworkin was mentally ill and could have benefited from anti-psychotic meds.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#96
Source for your allegations about Andrea Dworkin? nt	redqueen	Apr 2012	#98
Right after you source with statistical data your claims on what is "the most popular kind of porn"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#99
This isn't Feminism 101, and the info re: porn is easily searchable.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#100
You got nothing.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#101
You didnt google. Of course.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#102
Upthread you've asserted your right to ignore my questions.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#103
I'm sorry, but that's not the way a debate works.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#105
Most people project their fantasies on the porn industry instead of looking at it as it is...	saras	Apr 2012	#7
how am i suppose to get turned on watching a girl fearful, screaming, being gang raped	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#9
However, my dear, don't you see that your life experiences have turned you into a prude?	freshwest	Apr 2012	#11
So you think rock and roll needs more censorship?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#78
Seabeyond, I see Warren is going to answer for you. Myself, I like R &R:	freshwest	Apr 2012	#81
Not real big on Aerosmith, myself.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#82
here is mine....	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#84
Best version and shows the dehumanization men go through, like that photo display thread.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#85
You didnt know that "Janie's got a gun" is about child abuse?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#86
'Fearful and screaming'? Then you've been watching the wrong kind of porn.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#34
This is why so many 2nd wavers have trouble with gay men, transpeople, the BDSM community	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#76
Yeah, it's very much not just a job.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#17
Sort of like how a free market is possible in a Communist utopia... after Capitalism is destroyed.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#53
Let me ask you something.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#58
Thank you for posting this. (nt)	enough	Apr 2012	#10
It is my pleasure.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#77
I'm very impressed with what Hedges says here. And that he agrees with the right. At times women,	freshwest	Apr 2012	#12
Yes, the left likes to pretend that they have it all over the right where women are concerned.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#19
I'm sure many progressive women were deeply disappointed that Rick Santorum dropped out.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#61
Group sex among adolescents a public health concern, new study says	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#23
People are always concerned about adolescents having sex, b/c its something they never used to do	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#43
yes, i can see you would reduce that article to teenagers simply having sex	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#50
Teens have sex, teens have always had sex.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#52
again, so you just ignore what the article is saying, or you dont read about girls pressured/forced	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#54
Ignoring things and steering discussions off track...	redqueen	Apr 2012	#55
You brought up Chomsky, as if he's infallible. He's not.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#56
No, you implied Hedges was conservative/GOP	redqueen	Apr 2012	#57
He's been actively arguing against the democratic party for the past several years	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#59
no. many many are not consulting adults but defenders like to ignore that fact, too.	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#65
Authoritative data as per a video on YouTube made by an anti porn group.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#67
happy little bow to make it all pretty. i get it. nt	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#70
I'm sure it's very frustrating	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#73
So the producers of that video, are they affiliated with the Christian right perchance?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#69
How does one video with anecdotal evidence prove that "many" are not consenting?	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#92
And we've gone through this. The fact that consent forms are signed and age verification is done	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#95
I'm all for debating things that are wrong within the porn industry, as I'm sure there are many...	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#104
Agreed.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#106
yes... cannot handle reality to justify wants. better to pretend the happy hooker to salve the ego	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#64
The level of denial is depressing. nt	redqueen	Apr 2012	#66
I know.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#71
The study mentions pornography and child abuse in relation to group sex.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#91
So, he is only half right...	physioex	Apr 2012	#13
Yes, the most important thing about this industry to politicians is the money.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#20
And what should be "done about it", then?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#75
Link to what Chris Hedges wrote:	freshwest	Apr 2012	#24
how can you say porn is degrading to women	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#25
manwin. man win.	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#26
From your link. But you'll only hear the sound of crickets:	freshwest	Apr 2012	#27
If only it was shocking, how consistently this is ignored.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#28
No other group besides women has so thoroughly internalized their own oppression.	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#29
It's the damn snitzwaffles	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#60
Actually, it's the other way around.	DutchLiberal	Apr 2012	#35
This deserves a kick.	redqueen	Apr 2012	#30
One thing about porn, it's an excellent way for some people to waste time.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#38
Despite an utter lack of any data whatsoever, anecdotally there sure seems to be a problem	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#62
Thx for posting. nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Apr 2012	#80
Chris Hedges: "I Stand With The Right Wing"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#83

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