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Thu Mar 29, 2012, 02:34 PM

102. What conclusion

That some alternatives are beyond preposterous? Yes, you're right. I weigh alternative scenarios against common sense and basic plausibility then reject them as needed.

The real question is why somebody would twist common sense so severely to come up with an explanation that would benefit Mr. Zimmerman. That's probably a more interesting question that will have to go without explicit conclusions.

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Pic Of The Moment: The Case Of The Amazing Disappearing Evidence [View all]	EarlG	Mar 2012	OP
Case closed.	trumad	Mar 2012	#1
The Police	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#4
The State Attorney is saying she may not need a Grand Jury to proceed.	trumad	Mar 2012	#8
Not me.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#19
I don't understand police procedure.. So this is probably a really stupid question..	nenagh	Mar 2012	#38
It was	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#43
Actually, it was released by the police, according to the reporter who obtained it.	DirkGently	Mar 2012	#47
Uh Huh. OK.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#53
No, the reporter who HAS the video said that. He lied?	DirkGently	Mar 2012	#158
Dunno He seems to have couched his answer. Did not tell Judge O'Donnell who he asked.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#164
Fair enough. Who knows? Nothing about this case makes sense so far.	DirkGently	Mar 2012	#169
TX.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#173
Watch and learn.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#57
Interesting observations	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#88
Video shows head wound.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#150
I see no head wound whatsoever. Good try, no sale.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#152
Take a close look at	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#161
If he has a wound on his head, the police should have a photograph of it, or any	crunch60	Apr 2012	#227
at 56-58 seconds into video when he is much closer to camera with back of head to camera. I couldn't	Bill USA	Mar 2012	#156
He pauses at the Black line for just a second. That is when you can see it.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#162
I think that is the shape of his head	Quixote1818	Mar 2012	#181
Could be.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#184
I'm not sure he was wearing the jacket at the time of the shooting	ThomThom	Apr 2012	#229
Daily Caller is a RW propaganda site	suffragette	Mar 2012	#185
Yes it is they promote the RW line.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#187
I think it's inappropriate to post anything from The Daily Caller as "evidence" on DU	suffragette	Mar 2012	#188
On the video	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#195
If you already realize the Daily Caller is a RW rag and is "self explanatory slanted"	suffragette	Mar 2012	#201
Ahh, yes--Phucker Carlson, of the dinky bow ties and insufferable attitude! nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#211
Exactly. Looks like they are running a full-tilt propaganda campaign	suffragette	Mar 2012	#214
Great article, thanks for putting it up. Adds to the narrative. Way more credible than the Caller	MADem	Mar 2012	#215
Uh huh. The reporter's lying for no reason?	DirkGently	Mar 2012	#163
That and the way it tries to follow him out of the frame led me to the same conclusion	Warpy	Mar 2012	#177
I did not know about the Smart Phone.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#182
It Looks Like Somebody Inside The Police Department	DallasNE	Mar 2012	#67
Holistic detectives shouldn't ignore their observations.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#74
Holistically speaking, the video came from the cops, period.	DirkGently	Mar 2012	#160
Nw I just saw the real on with the PD log on it on CNN. But they cut the part with the head wound.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#176
You don't know if there was a Head wound. Did you see pictures taken by the police	crunch60	Apr 2012	#228
everything should have been photographed at the scene	ThomThom	Apr 2012	#230
Transparency, maybe? The taxpayers of Florida paid for that surveillance video. The police are	MADem	Mar 2012	#52
"The Police took Zimmerman's clothes for evidence"	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#12
I'm inclined to think so--not a drop of blood anywhere	librechik	Mar 2012	#32
The witnesses said that Zimmerman was wearing a red jacket	Cali_Democrat	Mar 2012	#42
OMG I was totally joking	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#60
Somebody on this thread claimed it happened	librechik	Mar 2012	#71
Yes, somebody who was making it up	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#73
I don't know if you've ever watched CSI or the like,	librechik	Mar 2012	#78
Yeesh	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#82
and you keep jumping to conclusions before we have all the evidence	librechik	Mar 2012	#97
What conclusion	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#102
That's TV drama entertainment.	FarPoint	Mar 2012	#95
then what happened to the bloody shirt one officer alleges he saw?	librechik	Mar 2012	#99
I can tell you what happened to it...	Javaman	Mar 2012	#125
I like how this possibility never dawns on our friend	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#140
He had to of been looking at Trayvon then..	FarPoint	Mar 2012	#159
Not if he shot him from further away	Fawke Em	Mar 2012	#118
But that would conflict with the precious police report	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#141
Well, the SPD has been quite strange.	BlueToTheBone	Mar 2012	#221
and found replacement perfect fit clothes ???..and scars ??..x-ray of "broken nose"??	Swagman	Mar 2012	#39
Of course! Cops always have a change of clothese ready for Dudes Who Shoot Black Kids	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#61
Of course. Those are clothes the police provided.	TahitiNut	Mar 2012	#87
Hey, maybe the cool cop who lent him the jacket	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#89
On the other hand, maybe he was looking for the Skittles George scored?	TahitiNut	Mar 2012	#147
Be fair. A man who can heal a head wound in minutes could whisk a weapon through thin air!	yardwork	Mar 2012	#153
Oh.. yeah.. I forgot. Salamander genes.	TahitiNut	Mar 2012	#175
Anyone know the exact time and day of this video?	The Wielding Truth	Mar 2012	#79
It's 30 minutes after the killing. nt	Quixote1818	Mar 2012	#183
Thanks. Wow. Zimmerman is in good shape for 30 min. after murder.	The Wielding Truth	Mar 2012	#191
"The truth will out" is exactly right -	TBF	Mar 2012	#14
It is unlikely that they took his clothes before this picture	JDPriestly	Mar 2012	#45
The Police can take his clothes as evidence and they did.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#50
His name is Trayvon.	JTFrog	Mar 2012	#54
To be fair, Zimmerman is a standard spelling of a name most people have heard.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#77
this story didn't just break yesterday--it's been the headline everywhere for 3 weeks now	SemperEadem	Mar 2012	#143
Google it for chrissake! No excuse.	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#204
Take a deep breath and try to apply some critical thinking?	MADem	Mar 2012	#56
Just curious: how do you know the Police took the evidence and sealed it in an evidence bag?	Pachamama	Mar 2012	#59
CAPHAVOC doesn't know shit about it: he's just making it up	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#65
Suspected so much....just wanted the Floriduh resident to explain his certainity of facts.	Pachamama	Mar 2012	#69
I do not claim to have the true facts.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#81
Facts, are, by their nature, true. If they aren't true, they aren't facts. They are lies. nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#103
True! Speculation.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#111
Speculations aren't facts, though. They're just guesses--sometimes educated, other times, halfassed.	MADem	Mar 2012	#119
But	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#122
You were the person making reference upthread to "true facts," if you recall. nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#168
OK	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#171
Oh, now you admit that. You previously presented your speculation as fact. You are untrustworthy.	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#206
I love you	FarPoint	Mar 2012	#112
Speculating	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#68
The new State Attorney said they had Zimmerman's clothes from that night	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#98
OK	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#133
IF you recall correctly. IF. Have any evidence of that? Link please.	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#207
IIRC the claim was made during Nancy Grace interview	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#218
And the cops had a change of clothing ready at the scene?	sarge43	Mar 2012	#124
The video shows an officer touching Zimmerman's jacket in a very weak casual	crunch60	Mar 2012	#64
It's also quite obviously NOT a change of clothes if the officer is searching it	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#66
The way they all stroll into the station is curious, too. They're chatting, and no one	MADem	Mar 2012	#113
… reinforcing the theory that Zimmerman is a "CI"	FraDon	Mar 2012	#135
That's a very plausible theory. I never saw such a casual 'perp walk' in my life. nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#154
Yes. GZ takes his own path up to the sidewalk near the wall and the one cop who was still behind him	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#209
He's out of the car, standing around, before they even bring down the garage door.	MADem	Mar 2012	#210
IF and that is a huge if the police took the clothes	intaglio	Mar 2012	#70
Speculating on my part	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#76
Scientific protocol in evidence collection would say that is an untruth	intaglio	Mar 2012	#132
Maybe so	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#138
And since when do District Attorneys work on a Sunday?	johnlucas	Mar 2012	#166
I can believe that bloody clothes would be taken and put into a sealed evidence bag	magical thyme	Mar 2012	#80
I would assume they took them later on.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#84
which brings us back to the original point	magical thyme	Mar 2012	#93
Good points	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#107
I think the backspatter of blood from a bullet wound	magical thyme	Mar 2012	#123
Zimmerman's statements other than admissions are worthless. Self-serving hearsay.	JDPriestly	Mar 2012	#131
His Fathers?	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#134
No, he was a magistrate	Ruby the Liberal	Mar 2012	#165
What are a Virginia magistrate's duties? n/t	sarge43	Mar 2012	#167
I would need to find the GD thread where this was discussed	Ruby the Liberal	Mar 2012	#180
Thank you	sarge43	Mar 2012	#217
Hey Sarge	Ruby the Liberal	Mar 2012	#223
Thanks again Ruby. Most helpful. n/t	sarge43	Mar 2012	#224
OK TX	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#174
'Zactly.	Ruby the Liberal	Mar 2012	#178
Of course he knows what he is doing--getting his spoiled brat of an amoral sociopathic son--	eridani	Mar 2012	#202
You got that right	peace frog	Mar 2012	#216
George Zimmerman would have to testify at trial.	JDPriestly	Mar 2012	#225
Not sure but I think	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#226
Zimmerman's clothes are worthless now as evidence	catbyte	Mar 2012	#63
First aid? If his nose is broken wouldn't there at least be a bandage? Also on the 'wound' ...	Beaverhausen	Mar 2012	#114
Dunno	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#116
I got my nose broken.	Javaman	Mar 2012	#128
Me too.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#139
You present this as fact. Link please.	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#205
Not "closed" so much as "upgraded to murder in the second degree."	TheWraith	Mar 2012	#28
excellent point about the gloves n/t	librechik	Mar 2012	#33
Where are the photos of Zimmermans injuries? Police should have taken	crunch60	Mar 2012	#55
There is a mountain of stuff the State Attorney is sitting on.	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#104
Amazing! nt	gateley	Mar 2012	#2
There are actually people here trying to spin this	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#3
Simple laws of physics.	Pab Sungenis	Mar 2012	#9
More over...	Javaman	Mar 2012	#130
Don't forget, "Maybe the police let Zimmerman go home and shower and change clothes first."	yardwork	Mar 2012	#10
Changed clothes	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#13
Because everybody who kills somebody is allowed to do that before being taken to the station.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#16
yes..and destroy evidence....cop's heads must roll	Swagman	Mar 2012	#41
and they are searching him in the station..the story gets worse by the minute	Swagman	Mar 2012	#44
According to ABC this morning	safeinOhio	Mar 2012	#48
Thanks for that! 30 minutes, hardly enough time	SamG	Mar 2012	#91
Ahhh, a quick change artist, then! Yeaaahh, that's the ticket!!	MADem	Mar 2012	#106
Confirmed by the time stamp on the video, too.	yardwork	Mar 2012	#151
Of course.	Pab Sungenis	Mar 2012	#148
Changed his clothes	HangOnKids	Mar 2012	#17
here? Wow....	BlancheSplanchnik	Mar 2012	#30
If his nose was treated at the scene, wouldn't he have a bandage or	JDPriestly	Mar 2012	#46
Punched in the nose over and over is claimed...yet no black eyes?	blm	Mar 2012	#75
Punched in the nose, nose broken and bloody, and	SamG	Mar 2012	#96
Man of steel AND teflon--to be able to slough off those grass stains so easily! nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#109
Robert Zimmerman, of course, was not there.	Jim__	Mar 2012	#5
A twofer	skamaria	Mar 2012	#199
Gash on Head?	earthside	Mar 2012	#6
Again---where is the blood.	trumad	Mar 2012	#7
And where are the latex gloves? - even a hint of blood requires the wearing of gloves.	AnotherMother4Peace	Mar 2012	#15
Well, wouldn't that be for the EMT's? If they cleared him at the scene beforehand, no gloves, right?	freshwest	Mar 2012	#36
I work in education & we are required to put on gloves at any sign of blood: abrasions, bloody nose,	AnotherMother4Peace	Mar 2012	#51
I'm just thinking that they didn't need to have them, if EMT's were on the scene first. Naturally,	freshwest	Mar 2012	#58
if he had freshly cleaned wounds	magical thyme	Mar 2012	#83
I don't believe he had any wounds. I'm just commenting on the wearing of gloves.	freshwest	Mar 2012	#90
I wasn't clear enough	magical thyme	Mar 2012	#126
Simple.	Pab Sungenis	Mar 2012	#34
Was thinking the same - did they stop at the 1 hour dry cleaner?	Ruby the Liberal	Mar 2012	#115
And for the size of the so called "gash"	mazzarro	Mar 2012	#18
His deddy said he shoulda gotten STITCHES, the wound was so darn bad!	MADem	Mar 2012	#117
they're still reeling from the death of their favorite video manipulator ...	zbdent	Mar 2012	#21
LOL	HooptieWagon	Mar 2012	#37
Wouldn't he have had a hate-filled field day with this sad situation...nt	MADem	Mar 2012	#213
You would think that	mbuch64	Mar 2012	#23
What is it with these people on the right that they are so invested in?	lunasun	Mar 2012	#25
Digital Edge Enhancement of his skull bone structure	They_Live	Mar 2012	#27
Tucker Carlson, I would have thought HE would...	SamG	Mar 2012	#100
Gun worship.	lib_wit_it	Mar 2012	#208
I said.... I knew they would use this	fascisthunter	Mar 2012	#219
Please note also, that Mr. Zimmerman is walking steadily in this video!	LongTomH	Mar 2012	#11
That may be a different George Zimmerman	tclambert	Mar 2012	#22
The man should be arrested for murder 1	Botany	Mar 2012	#20
I'm guessing if GZ has a broken nose	intheflow	Mar 2012	#24
Good one!	SamG	Mar 2012	#101
The officer DOES seem to examine the back of his head...	hexola	Mar 2012	#26
Could have been sweat he wiped off......	Pachamama	Mar 2012	#62
Zimmerman Dad . retired JUDGE!	Why Syzygy	Mar 2012	#29
so we know one thing for sure. Robert Zimmerman is a LIAR	librechik	Mar 2012	#31
Isn't the master footage likely to be of higher resolution?	hexola	Mar 2012	#35
Anybody remember the "B" girl?	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2012	#40
Thanks for that timely reminder.	Tarheel_Dem	Mar 2012	#85
No, I don't remember her. Can you explain? (nt)	PotatoChip	Mar 2012	#94
A right wing nutter in 2008 claimed she was attacked by	SamG	Mar 2012	#108
Thank you for that. And the link.	PotatoChip	Mar 2012	#127
RW lunatic	Why Syzygy	Mar 2012	#110
Thank you. (nt)	PotatoChip	Mar 2012	#129
Once Zimmerman is brought in	zentrum	Mar 2012	#49
PLEASE put up on Facebook so it can spread	blm	Mar 2012	#72
Amazing Pics Ear G...	icnorth	Mar 2012	#86
Mr. Martin was actually holding him upside down trying to shake change from his pockets	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#92
There are so many wrongs in this case.	perimedik	Mar 2012	#105
Credibility of Zimmerman's story	AnnieK401	Mar 2012	#120
Not 4 hours. The video is purported to be less than an hour later.	HooptieWagon	Mar 2012	#137
Try 35 minutes after the incident	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#142
So, the cops had a change of clothes for him, got him changed, cleaned up	sarge43	Mar 2012	#144
You are right	AnnieK401	Apr 2012	#232
"the wound was already healing."	Javaman	Mar 2012	#121
I guess you heal really fast when...	Hubert Flottz	Mar 2012	#136
A simple question	NuclearTeabag	Mar 2012	#145
Because there's no evidence supporting Zimmerman's claims n/t	sarge43	Mar 2012	#146
My nose has been broken twice...	Big Orange Jeff	Mar 2012	#149
Is that video getting fuzzier?	Marthe48	Mar 2012	#155
There is even a lack of anything	humbled_opinion	Mar 2012	#157
Zimmerman is as guilty as sin	workinclasszero	Mar 2012	#170
This is the "SOUTH" and Seminole County is well.....	MsFlorida	Mar 2012	#172
Father was a judge in Virginia, not Florida.	intheflow	Mar 2012	#186
There IS a mark when you see it with STOCK Abc footage	karnac	Mar 2012	#179
Good find	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#189
the first is good, the daily caller pics are deceptive.	karnac	Mar 2012	#194
TX.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#196
Hey I looked at your work again	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#198
you talking about the faint black line in my enhanced picture?	karnac	Mar 2012	#200
Fake ass Daily Caller enhancement	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#190
So it is not a cut?	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#192
Whatever	alcibiades_mystery	Mar 2012	#193
Suit Yourself.	CAPHAVOC	Mar 2012	#197
That's the TOP of the guy's head--come off it, what bullshit.	MADem	Mar 2012	#212
For someone with a supposed head injury and being so banged up	Smilo	Mar 2012	#203
I knew the right wing would take a clip of the video to foster credibility	fascisthunter	Mar 2012	#220
I saw this video yesterday on 3 news programs. Where's the blood? Where's the broken nose?	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2012	#222
obvious rehearsed police performance or proof of head trauma	sonof	Apr 2012	#231
Hahahahahaha. Oh man, you are good. You had me going until the girl scout camp comparison	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#233

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