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Response to Alva Goldbook (Reply #93)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:43 PM

106. Wow. You had all those videos on the ready! Good for you!

You came prepared with your stash. I can only wonder why.

That said, Zimmerman shot first, asked questions later. There's no refuting that. But since SYG was passed into law, there have been some very ugly unintended consequences. The people in your video are not good examples to defend Shoot First Ask Questions Later laws. They were defending a clear attack, and in the United States, we have a right to defend ourselves if we can't retreat - which none of them could. We didn't need no stinking Republican Shoot First Ask Questions Later laws.

From the Tampa Bay Times article:

People have had the right to defend themselves from a threat as far back as English common law. The key in Florida and many other states was that they could not use deadly force if it was reasonably possible to retreat.

That's no longer necessary now with Jebbie's SYG, is it? A person only has to look at you funny, make you feel "threatened", and then you can shoot them dead in the street - and be exonerated in the courts! A criminal's paradise!

Drug dealers and gang members walk free and get away with murder merely citing SYG as their defense. But I guess you're ok with that. I'm not.

Those people you have on vid are doing nothing that they weren't allowed to do BEFORE "Shoot first Ask Questions Later" laws were passed in states. They have a right to defend themselves. But that KochBros funded ALEC bill gave this right to EVERYBODY. Not only law-abiding citizens, but even ex-felons, gang members, neighbors with a grudge against you or your dog, and drug dealers can shoot first under a "perceived threat" and happily use SYG as defense and WIN on the flimsiest of evidence.

Florida's "stand your ground'' law has allowed drug dealers to avoid murder charges and gang members to walk free. It has stymied prosecutors and confused judges. It has also served its intended purpose, exonerating dozens of people who were deemed to be legitimately acting in self-defense. Among them: a woman who was choked and beaten by an irate tenant and a man who was threatened in his driveway by a felon.

Seven years since it was passed, Florida's "stand your ground" law is being invoked with unexpected frequency, in ways no one imagined, to free killers and violent attackers whose self-defense claims seem questionable at best.

Cases with similar facts show surprising sometimes shocking differences in outcomes. If you claim "stand your ground" as the reason you shot someone, what happens to you can depend less on the merits of the case than on who you are, whom you kill and where your case is decided.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133


As the link in the OP shows, over a five year period, 1% of guns were used in self-defense. The SYG laws were implimented not for the pubic safety, but to beef up those sad and pathetic stats. And it has, just as it's helped criminals to eliminate their competition or people they just don't like, and get away with it scot-free. And you agree with that. Sad.

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