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SunSeeker

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83. Yes, I do know. Did you mean to reply to me or our new gungeoneer (post #8)?
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:43 PM
Apr 2013

Sounds like you are trying to make the same point I made in my post #13 (and post #51) in this thread re the false reporting.

Good find. There are a lot of gun cultists who consider Zimmerman commited a "justified" homicide. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
Now with the "Shoot First Ask Questions Later" - I mean, "Stand Your Ground" laws BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #14
Bingo. That is exactly what AtheistCrusader is doing in this thread. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #27
Except of course AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #87
Shoot first ask questions later? You have got to be kidding me. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #58
Defending the NRA position is unthinkable. Are you a Zimmerman fan? "No one is going to shoot firenewt Apr 2013 #70
Yes, I believe it is. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #91
Nope... Wednesdays Apr 2013 #146
Yeah, I know it's a joke, but it's what you gun-fanatics support. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #90
No, it's not what I support. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #93
Wow. You had all those videos on the ready! Good for you! BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #106
Utterly wrong. You just don't understand the law. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #127
Zimmerman's attorneys BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #134
Thank you. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #141
Utterly Wrong, Again. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #148
Cherry-picking information to support your fetish with guns doesn't help you. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #149
LOL. Massad Ayoob. DanTex Apr 2013 #150
Excellent, well-reasoned response. appal_jack Apr 2013 #140
Legally, it might appear well-reasoned, but in practice, it's not. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #144
How many gun owners can afford 6 figures in legal fees? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #100
But suicides don't count BainsBane Apr 2013 #2
Some should. The "spur-of-the-moment" action made simple by use of gun. Scuba Apr 2013 #26
Wait ... you're advocating FOR suicide? baldguy Apr 2013 #29
I've long felt I should have the right to end my own life if I choose to do so. Scuba Apr 2013 #38
Euthanasia robs Big Pharma and Big ProfitCare of vital profits. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #133
when someone hangs himself, do you blame the rope? (end) Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #59
That page of the NRA handbook must be almost worn out by now! Walk away Apr 2013 #76
I'm not one of those people BainsBane Apr 2013 #88
No, because the rope gave them time to rethink their suicide. jeff47 Apr 2013 #131
Having a gun in the home increases your chance of a gun death many times over. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #3
But, but billh58 Apr 2013 #4
Defensive gun uses Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #9
And there are actually billh58 Apr 2013 #10
That one BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #15
It's amazing how billh58 Apr 2013 #18
They don't care because they get paid BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #24
Bill....the numbers are different because the 2 studies use different methodology. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #48
The OP is about billh58 Apr 2013 #49
Mischaracterize much? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #104
Source? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #32
here you go. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #60
Says an NRA 'study'. louis-t Apr 2013 #152
No, it's called extrapolation. It's used in every poll. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #153
Pretty amazing infographic there, EarlG. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #5
Guns don't kill people, Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #6
US DoJ shows the vast majority of lawful defensive gun uses do not involve fatalities. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #7
From the report cited in another reply. I guess we can all cite stats as needed. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #12
Uh huh. What was your point? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #19
My point is that the number used in the OP is wildly low and the Kleck study wildly high. The SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #37
You are comparing billh58 Apr 2013 #43
Not exactly. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #66
Yeah, I get it. billh58 Apr 2013 #72
Actually, including all sets of numbers, I suspect the cost would roll AGAINST the use of firearms. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #81
Absolutely ... well stated. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #85
I'm not buying the lethal use of force metric as the only one that qualifies. That's not being SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #84
By that little twist of billh58 Apr 2013 #89
I think the OP is using an extremely strict metric in making his point. In the interest of fairness SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #92
That is your opinion billh58 Apr 2013 #96
Not equal. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #102
I view it (at a minmum) as 108k that did not suffer an attack on their person or worse, death. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #107
I opt on the side of owning firearms, but expecting reasonable regulation of that ownership. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #112
Well stated. My views exactly. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #116
If I brandish a shotgun at an armed intruder and stop them from assaulting my family, that is SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #98
And again we disagree. billh58 Apr 2013 #103
How on God's green planet do you come to the conclusion that I support the unrestricted SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #105
It appears that I am billh58 Apr 2013 #108
I'll reserve judgement on your intent here. But suffice it to say that you have misrepresented my SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #114
WHY is the OP comparing the two groups of gun deaths? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #113
Ah, agreed. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #62
Yes, I also agree with your assessment. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #82
Attempting to compile "all lawful DGUs" would be impossible. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #122
Fair point. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #143
The Kleck study is not absurd. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #65
Depending on state law. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #68
Which states? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #94
Not all states have statutes regarding this. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #97
Warning shots are a very good way to get yourself killed. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #117
In florida, a warning shot = a 20 year mandatory minimum felony. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #118
Warning shots are a good way to get someone else killed. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #129
You are right. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #132
Gunners love to cherry pick that 1997 survey, without disclosing the report's conclusion SunSeeker Apr 2013 #13
Agreed, the reporting tallies are not accurate. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #16
And if you extrapolate that out.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #51
"It was designed to make it difficult to fabricate a story." What bullshit. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #80
Kleck explains this himself. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #136
And this is why Kleck has no credibility. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #145
Not Americans FreeEmily Apr 2013 #20
Per capita violent assault comparisons to other G20 nations are not... favorable to us. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #23
Wrong. The US has lower rape and assault rates than many gun-free countries. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #55
Now there's a fine billh58 Apr 2013 #63
No, Bill.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #71
Do you report the income you receive from billh58 Apr 2013 #74
The NRA? I'm not even a member. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #95
Ahh... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #111
True. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #22
Yeah, I'd bet the unintentional shootings are far more likely to be fatal than the intential ones. enki23 Apr 2013 #119
Shootings classified 'unintentional' are often AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #142
So WILDLY Wrong it's laughable. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #8
It is the figures you cite that are wildly wrong and laughable. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #21
That paper you cite was published 16 years ago and has been challenged. Dan Ken Apr 2013 #53
Yes, I do know. Did you mean to reply to me or our new gungeoneer (post #8)? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #83
See post 13; thucythucy Apr 2013 #25
Exactly! SoapBox Apr 2013 #11
Good joke on Steph this morning. Cleita Apr 2013 #17
Hah! She's always so sharp! Love the woman. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #28
Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011 DeYanko Apr 2013 #30
And yet another billh58 Apr 2013 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #31
Welcome to DU. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #33
Lots of new very pro gun people popping up today. lark Apr 2013 #44
MIRT found and billh58 Apr 2013 #77
Hoping so lark Apr 2013 #147
You're so compassionate...you must be a conservative. cyberswede Apr 2013 #36
They're coming out of the woodwork billh58 Apr 2013 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #52
... cyberswede Apr 2013 #56
I am very busy missing the show what happened??? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #75
A sad little gun troll had to go bye bye cyberswede Apr 2013 #79
Thanks, another bug sprayed DainBramaged Apr 2013 #86
Bullshit DainBramaged Apr 2013 #41
Your last sentence is something that some of us want to consider, but, as there SHOULD be in any patrice Apr 2013 #73
But, but, but, that's because everybody isn't packing heat! catbyte Apr 2013 #34
The thing I really DON'T like about this picture, Amimnoch Apr 2013 #35
Your proposals would allow any non-crazy person the right to armed Flatulo Apr 2013 #54
Que the NRA talking points in 3-2-1....... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #40
Nailed. it. That post was a bullshit set-up, as in volleyball. nt patrice Apr 2013 #78
The gunners flock to these threads like a moth to flame neverforget Apr 2013 #101
Gun manufacturers profit from each and every case... radhika Apr 2013 #45
sensible gun control would still have allowed samsingh Apr 2013 #46
The 203 number is a low number. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #50
Let's look at those. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #47
Thanks for all of the billh58 Apr 2013 #57
Calling something a talking point is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #61
Your arguments have been answered with logic many times here at DU Dan Ken Apr 2013 #67
Yep, got me pegged billh58 Apr 2013 #69
I could never rebut your statement that you are a cow. Pholus Apr 2013 #99
Yes. And 390k from smoking, 49k from second hand smoke alone - that one always gets me. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #115
You might feel safer still if you duct tape pillows to all the sharp corners of your furniture. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #121
K&R! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #64
Thank you... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #109
Thanks, Earl. Great stats. toby jo Apr 2013 #110
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise - Will The Gun Violence Fallacies Never End cantbeserious Apr 2013 #120
So is DU now "Officially" Anti-Gun? MicaelS Apr 2013 #123
Just that gun prescence has led to more death than protection. fascisthunter Apr 2013 #126
Sounds like a name of a headbangers band... Ellipsis Apr 2013 #124
You do realize this isn't a point in your favor. Yukari Yakumo Apr 2013 #125
There are some crazy people who think that ALL the gun-related deaths are bad! IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #128
Some of us here at DU have used guns in self-defense before NickB79 Apr 2013 #130
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2013 #135
What's more "self defense" than defending yourself against yourself? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #137
Thanks EarlG! This kind of post sure rings the dinner bell for the gungions. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #138
Of those 230 Justifiable Homicides cleduc Apr 2013 #139
We just need more guns liberal N proud Apr 2013 #151
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