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billh58

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57. Thanks for all of the
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:49 PM
Apr 2013

NRA talking points, and the mind-numbing statistical analysis of why we need many, many, more guns on our streets. I'm sure that Uncle Wayne is very, very proud of you, and that your Gungeon buddies are feeling all warm and fuzzy about your dressing down of us mean old "grabbers."

Now go cuddle your big old gun and keep telling everyone who will listen what a tough guy you are...

Good find. There are a lot of gun cultists who consider Zimmerman commited a "justified" homicide. Hoyt Apr 2013 #1
Now with the "Shoot First Ask Questions Later" - I mean, "Stand Your Ground" laws BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #14
Bingo. That is exactly what AtheistCrusader is doing in this thread. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #27
Except of course AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #87
Shoot first ask questions later? You have got to be kidding me. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #58
Defending the NRA position is unthinkable. Are you a Zimmerman fan? "No one is going to shoot firenewt Apr 2013 #70
Yes, I believe it is. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #91
Nope... Wednesdays Apr 2013 #146
Yeah, I know it's a joke, but it's what you gun-fanatics support. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #90
No, it's not what I support. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #93
Wow. You had all those videos on the ready! Good for you! BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #106
Utterly wrong. You just don't understand the law. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #127
Zimmerman's attorneys BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #134
Thank you. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #141
Utterly Wrong, Again. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #148
Cherry-picking information to support your fetish with guns doesn't help you. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #149
LOL. Massad Ayoob. DanTex Apr 2013 #150
Excellent, well-reasoned response. appal_jack Apr 2013 #140
Legally, it might appear well-reasoned, but in practice, it's not. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #144
How many gun owners can afford 6 figures in legal fees? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #100
But suicides don't count BainsBane Apr 2013 #2
Some should. The "spur-of-the-moment" action made simple by use of gun. Scuba Apr 2013 #26
Wait ... you're advocating FOR suicide? baldguy Apr 2013 #29
I've long felt I should have the right to end my own life if I choose to do so. Scuba Apr 2013 #38
Euthanasia robs Big Pharma and Big ProfitCare of vital profits. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #133
when someone hangs himself, do you blame the rope? (end) Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #59
That page of the NRA handbook must be almost worn out by now! Walk away Apr 2013 #76
I'm not one of those people BainsBane Apr 2013 #88
No, because the rope gave them time to rethink their suicide. jeff47 Apr 2013 #131
Having a gun in the home increases your chance of a gun death many times over. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #3
But, but billh58 Apr 2013 #4
Defensive gun uses Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #9
And there are actually billh58 Apr 2013 #10
That one BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #15
It's amazing how billh58 Apr 2013 #18
They don't care because they get paid BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #24
Bill....the numbers are different because the 2 studies use different methodology. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #48
The OP is about billh58 Apr 2013 #49
Mischaracterize much? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #104
Source? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #32
here you go. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #60
Says an NRA 'study'. louis-t Apr 2013 #152
No, it's called extrapolation. It's used in every poll. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #153
Pretty amazing infographic there, EarlG. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #5
Guns don't kill people, Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #6
US DoJ shows the vast majority of lawful defensive gun uses do not involve fatalities. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #7
From the report cited in another reply. I guess we can all cite stats as needed. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #12
Uh huh. What was your point? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #19
My point is that the number used in the OP is wildly low and the Kleck study wildly high. The SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #37
You are comparing billh58 Apr 2013 #43
Not exactly. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #66
Yeah, I get it. billh58 Apr 2013 #72
Actually, including all sets of numbers, I suspect the cost would roll AGAINST the use of firearms. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #81
Absolutely ... well stated. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #85
I'm not buying the lethal use of force metric as the only one that qualifies. That's not being SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #84
By that little twist of billh58 Apr 2013 #89
I think the OP is using an extremely strict metric in making his point. In the interest of fairness SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #92
That is your opinion billh58 Apr 2013 #96
Not equal. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #102
I view it (at a minmum) as 108k that did not suffer an attack on their person or worse, death. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #107
I opt on the side of owning firearms, but expecting reasonable regulation of that ownership. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #112
Well stated. My views exactly. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #116
If I brandish a shotgun at an armed intruder and stop them from assaulting my family, that is SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #98
And again we disagree. billh58 Apr 2013 #103
How on God's green planet do you come to the conclusion that I support the unrestricted SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #105
It appears that I am billh58 Apr 2013 #108
I'll reserve judgement on your intent here. But suffice it to say that you have misrepresented my SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #114
WHY is the OP comparing the two groups of gun deaths? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #113
Ah, agreed. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #62
Yes, I also agree with your assessment. SlimJimmy Apr 2013 #82
Attempting to compile "all lawful DGUs" would be impossible. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #122
Fair point. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #143
The Kleck study is not absurd. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #65
Depending on state law. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #68
Which states? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #94
Not all states have statutes regarding this. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #97
Warning shots are a very good way to get yourself killed. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #117
In florida, a warning shot = a 20 year mandatory minimum felony. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #118
Warning shots are a good way to get someone else killed. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #129
You are right. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #132
Gunners love to cherry pick that 1997 survey, without disclosing the report's conclusion SunSeeker Apr 2013 #13
Agreed, the reporting tallies are not accurate. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #16
And if you extrapolate that out.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #51
"It was designed to make it difficult to fabricate a story." What bullshit. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #80
Kleck explains this himself. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #136
And this is why Kleck has no credibility. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #145
Not Americans FreeEmily Apr 2013 #20
Per capita violent assault comparisons to other G20 nations are not... favorable to us. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #23
Wrong. The US has lower rape and assault rates than many gun-free countries. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #55
Now there's a fine billh58 Apr 2013 #63
No, Bill.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #71
Do you report the income you receive from billh58 Apr 2013 #74
The NRA? I'm not even a member. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #95
Ahh... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #111
True. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #22
Yeah, I'd bet the unintentional shootings are far more likely to be fatal than the intential ones. enki23 Apr 2013 #119
Shootings classified 'unintentional' are often AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #142
So WILDLY Wrong it's laughable. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #8
It is the figures you cite that are wildly wrong and laughable. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #21
That paper you cite was published 16 years ago and has been challenged. Dan Ken Apr 2013 #53
Yes, I do know. Did you mean to reply to me or our new gungeoneer (post #8)? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #83
See post 13; thucythucy Apr 2013 #25
Exactly! SoapBox Apr 2013 #11
Good joke on Steph this morning. Cleita Apr 2013 #17
Hah! She's always so sharp! Love the woman. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #28
Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011 DeYanko Apr 2013 #30
And yet another billh58 Apr 2013 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #31
Welcome to DU. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #33
Lots of new very pro gun people popping up today. lark Apr 2013 #44
MIRT found and billh58 Apr 2013 #77
Hoping so lark Apr 2013 #147
You're so compassionate...you must be a conservative. cyberswede Apr 2013 #36
They're coming out of the woodwork billh58 Apr 2013 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #52
... cyberswede Apr 2013 #56
I am very busy missing the show what happened??? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #75
A sad little gun troll had to go bye bye cyberswede Apr 2013 #79
Thanks, another bug sprayed DainBramaged Apr 2013 #86
Bullshit DainBramaged Apr 2013 #41
Your last sentence is something that some of us want to consider, but, as there SHOULD be in any patrice Apr 2013 #73
But, but, but, that's because everybody isn't packing heat! catbyte Apr 2013 #34
The thing I really DON'T like about this picture, Amimnoch Apr 2013 #35
Your proposals would allow any non-crazy person the right to armed Flatulo Apr 2013 #54
Que the NRA talking points in 3-2-1....... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #40
Nailed. it. That post was a bullshit set-up, as in volleyball. nt patrice Apr 2013 #78
The gunners flock to these threads like a moth to flame neverforget Apr 2013 #101
Gun manufacturers profit from each and every case... radhika Apr 2013 #45
sensible gun control would still have allowed samsingh Apr 2013 #46
The 203 number is a low number. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #50
Let's look at those. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #47
Thanks for all of the billh58 Apr 2013 #57
Calling something a talking point is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #61
Your arguments have been answered with logic many times here at DU Dan Ken Apr 2013 #67
Yep, got me pegged billh58 Apr 2013 #69
I could never rebut your statement that you are a cow. Pholus Apr 2013 #99
Yes. And 390k from smoking, 49k from second hand smoke alone - that one always gets me. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #115
You might feel safer still if you duct tape pillows to all the sharp corners of your furniture. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #121
K&R! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #64
Thank you... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #109
Thanks, Earl. Great stats. toby jo Apr 2013 #110
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise - Will The Gun Violence Fallacies Never End cantbeserious Apr 2013 #120
So is DU now "Officially" Anti-Gun? MicaelS Apr 2013 #123
Just that gun prescence has led to more death than protection. fascisthunter Apr 2013 #126
Sounds like a name of a headbangers band... Ellipsis Apr 2013 #124
You do realize this isn't a point in your favor. Yukari Yakumo Apr 2013 #125
There are some crazy people who think that ALL the gun-related deaths are bad! IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #128
Some of us here at DU have used guns in self-defense before NickB79 Apr 2013 #130
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2013 #135
What's more "self defense" than defending yourself against yourself? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #137
Thanks EarlG! This kind of post sure rings the dinner bell for the gungions. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #138
Of those 230 Justifiable Homicides cleduc Apr 2013 #139
We just need more guns liberal N proud Apr 2013 #151
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