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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:31 PM

47. Let's look at those.

Gun suicides.
It is true that having a convenient means to commit suicide does increase the suicide numbers. In the UK, in the 1950s, laying your head in the oven and turning on the gas was a popular method of suicide. The kitchens became more electric and suicide numbers dropped. So fewer guns will reduce the suicide numbers. However, that is a risk that I choose to accept for myself, just as others choose to accept the risk of other types of behaviors. Protecting me from myself is not something that I wish to government to do, and that extends to not wanting the government to supervise me when I eat or drink.

Accidents.
We are a nation of 310+ million people. 606 gun accidents annually is not a large number.
3,443 died of drowning.
29,846 died of accidental poisoning
1,138 died from walking
1,449 died from Natural/Environmental (Whatever that is.)

So 606 isn't going to get me excited.

Justifiable homicides
That number excludes "excusable homicides" and does not include homicides that are first reported as murder and then are cleared later by the justice system. The actual number of legal homicides is about two or three times as high.

Criminal homicides.
If someone is going to illegally kill, does anybody here really think that they will obey a gun law? It is very rare for a legal gun owner to become an illegal killer. (Note: Rare does NOT mean never. Rare means rare) Usually illegal killers will already have a record of criminal violence. That fact is well know by criminologists, but is almost unknown by the general public. (Murder mysteries are boring if the killer is a street thug. The culprit has to be a trusted person to be interesting.)

Violent crimes.
This category isn't listed, but it is the reason why I have guns and carry one. According to the FBI there were 1,203,564 reported violent crimes in the U.S. in 2011. (2012 stats aren't out yet.) Violent crime is greatly underreported because many victims don't bother to let the police know, either because they are afraid, or because they believe that it won't make any difference. While that number is another decrease in a long continuing trend, it is still a high number. Being a victim of violent crime isn't a completely random event. Criminals select their victims for several reasons, some of which I can control, some I can't. So if a criminal does select me, he will find that I am not an easy victim. Of course, I will be happy if I am never put to that test.

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