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Response to unc70 (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 07:22 AM

21. It is peculiar how support for Wikileaks has become, in some quarters, a surrogate

and substitute for any other analysis: the thinking seems to be that if one does not ooh! and aah! over Mr Assange and his largely defunct organization, then one must be either (1) a mindless stooge with no understanding of how American power has been misused repeatedly since WWII or (2) an amoral shill for some still nameless interest group

At this point, of course, very little is needed to explain why Wikileaks has fallen from the front page. Assange's histrionics alienated many of his media partners; after the organizational split in late 2010, Assange no longer had access to the secure submission software that originally defined the organization; and Wikileaks had in any case developed a bit of a record for promising what they could not deliver. So the media found Wikileaks unpleasant to work with, as well as unreliable -- and with almost nothing new coming from them anyway, there's little incentive to pay much attention to them

Nor is any great conspiracy is needed to discredit Assange: his own history by now has exposed quite some substantial character flaws. It is apparently regarded, in certain quarters, as rude even to mention these, but they are well-documented. He has been willing to pretend to ready to make significant revelations, that he was not really in any position to make, motivated by the media storm that his threats create -- and he has done that more than once. He is quite callous about the fall-out from his leaks: when people die, he says they should have been more careful; when warned people might die, he says it is their own fault -- and, again, there are multiple independently-documented examples. He has a tendency to engage in activities that begin to resemble blackmail -- and, once again, this can be said of more than one incident. What I find strange is the cult of hero-worship, according to which one simply must not notice any of this unattractive behavior but must instead pay constant homage to the alleged greatness of the man

No doubt there are interesting stories about those various Meyers, that could perhaps stimulate our thinking somewhat -- but Eugene Meyer has been dead over fifty years, Mary Pinchot Meyer almost fifty, and even Cord Meyer has been gone more than a decade, so nothing about them can be immediately and directly relevant to Wikileaks, which was founded around 2006

If you are interested in complicated stories, I might suggest you look at this post of mine, being sure to click and read the links; I mention it because it has some reference to Operation Condor

Argentina's ambassador to the UK badly needs a history lesson
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021244276

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