Bill Moyers: "NRA turned 2nd amendment into a cruel and deadly hoax"

[Atypical Liberal]

25. Crock of shit.

Private citizens have no, zip, zilch, nada use for automatic weapons.

The good news is we live in a free country where I don't have to satisfy someone's definition of "need" before I can buy something. Whether it is a boat, a camper, or a gun, I don't have to show anybody that I "need" it before I buy it.

They can fulfill the intent of the amendment with bolt action rifles.

With the exception of sniper rifles, the modern infantry no longer uses these.

Handguns have exactly two uses: Killing people and acting as penis substitutes for those who want to be macho but aren't well endowed. Police and the military have legitimate uses for them, no one else does.

Police and military use handguns to protect themselves. Why is it legitimate that they can do so but civilians cannot?

The whole "penis substitute" thing is a crock of shit. There are millions of women who own and use handguns and other weapons for sporting, hunting, and self-defense reasons, and they are almost certainly not out looking for a penis substitute.

I enjoy shooting firearms of all kinds because of the skill involved in doing so. It has nothing to do with penises.

So you just buy things you have no use for? I don't, especially something as costly as a firearm.

You are conflating "use" with "need".

Having a use for something is not the same thing as "needing" it. I don't need an RV, but I have a use for one - going camping with my family. No one needs a $50,000 Corvette, but lots of people find uses for them.

Your thing about sex toys is merely evidence of Bible-Belt squeamishness about sex. BTW, don't you feel that someone's priorities are wrong when it is more trouble to get sex toys than something whose primary use is killing people?

I agree with you about the Bible Belt, but I don't have to undergo a background check to buy sex toys.

[b Hunting is a legitimate use.

Yes, it is. It is not, however, the intent behind the second amendment. We don't insure the security of free states from Bambi.

If there were no handguns out there, "home defense" would be meaningless -- and far more people get shot accidentally or with murderous intent than for "home defense".

The consequence of your fantasy would be that every single victim of violent crime would have only three choices: Run away if they are fast enough, submit to their attacker if they are tough enough, or engage in a physical contest of strength with their attacker. The weak would be at the mercy of the strong. I will not support your fantasy.

Target shooting can be best done with .22s, which are as non-lethal as firearms get.

Yes, they can, but it does not require near the skill as higher calibers do. Many people, myself included, do enjoy shooting .22s (mostly due to cost) but I get more enjoyment out of the higher skill required for shooting bigger calibers.

"Concealed Carry" is gun-nut speak for "penis substitute", and don't try to pretend it's not.

Again, this is a crock of shit. Are you saying that every woman with a concealed carry permit wishes they had a penis?

It is hugely offensive that you slander anyone who wants to have the means to resist violence as wishing they had a (bigger) penis.

And "I want to have a penis substitute" is not an actual need.

But wanting a viable option to stand up to violent attackers most certainly is.

I suspect that the poor dears will survive. That does not change the fact that "having a penis substitute" is the reason many -- if not most -- male gun nuts have guns.

Do you have any evidence to support this or is this just something you are pulling out of your ass?

I find "only" 300 murders per year something odd to feel good about. Anyway, that is really irrelevant. Go to http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_20.html -- part of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports for 2009 (the latest year they have published data for) -- which is about types of weapons used in murders. Handguns lead the list of weapons by far. For example, in your home state of Alabama, there were 318 total murders, of which 196 were by handgun (and 1 with a rifle).

Any number of murders is tragic, but when talking about rifles like what Holmes used, it is amazingly good when there are only 300 homicides every year with all rifles considering the millions of them in circulation.

Yes, handguns are used in many more homicides than long arms.

I stand by my contention that there are too many firearms in the US, and some reasonable controls should be put on firearm possession. Mandatory registration of all firearms would be a good place to start.

I will never support nor comply with registration of firearms.