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In the discussion thread: Bill Moyers: "NRA turned 2nd amendment into a cruel and deadly hoax" [View all]

Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:38 PM

18. The weapons shown are neither an AK-47 nor an M-1 carbine.

The first weapon shown is a Romanian SAR-1. It looks like an AK-47, but can only fire in semi-automatic mode. The second weapon shown is the Ruger Mini-14. It first the same round as the SAR-1 (and AK-47), and does so the same way - semi-automatically, but happens to look like a hunting rifle.

And you see, that is what the problem is.

You've got people such as yourself who have no idea what they are talking about trying to make firearm policy. People who don't realize that all rifles combined, let alone "assault rifles", only kill about 300 people every year - about half as many as are killed by hands and feet.

And based on a terrible, high-profile tragedy and want to ban such weapons like the AR-15 even though they are the most popular center-fire rifle in America, with literally millions of them in circulation, and 99.99% of them are never used in crimes.

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43 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bill Moyers: "NRA turned 2nd amendment into a cruel and deadly hoax" [View all]	flamingdem	Jul 2012	OP
well said	DrDan	Jul 2012	#1
I've poked around looking for early second amendment debate information.	brewens	Jul 2012	#2
I think Justice Stevens' Dissent in Heller is an excellent discussion of 2nd Amendment.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#4
Let's hope, we need to win congress in Nov. that will help nt	flamingdem	Jul 2012	#5
Lots exists from the founders.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#8
I meant that there isn't all that much on specifically the second amendment.	brewens	Jul 2012	#12
Start with Wikipedia	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#15
within the context of a well-regulated state militia	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#30
But they have several erroneous points.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#32
their point is that the 2nd amendment is very specifically written to address	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#34
and the dissenters evaluation of the decision is also an interesting read	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#31
And Congress HAS regulated civilian uses of weapons.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#33
the 2nd amendment is about maintaining state militias	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#35
That is true.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#37
Fuck the NRA. I'll donate to any politician who publicly states	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#3
You realize the NRA supports Democrats, right?	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#7
Oh my, well in that case	iamthebandfanman	Jul 2012	#10
Yes, I realize that. That doesn't make the NRA any less despicable.	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#16
Good to know you think supporting Democrats is despicable.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#19
Hey, are you Ron Paul ?	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#20
I don't get it.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#22
K&R. Well said.	Overseas	Jul 2012	#6
Many errors in his video	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#9
Then the Assault Weapons Ban wasn't strong enough.	Chorophyll	Jul 2012	#11
+1000	gtar100	Jul 2012	#13
So how would you have changed it?	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#14
And the problem with that is?	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#17
The weapons shown are neither an AK-47 nor an M-1 carbine.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#18
OK, I don't know about those two specific weapons.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#21
Ah the old "penis" canard.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#23
It's not a canard, it's a major reason why gun nuts collect guns.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#24
Crock of shit.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#25
A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#27
A question for you.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#28
Latest	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#39
I notice you didn't answer my question:	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#40
Because it's a stupid question, which does not deserve answering	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#42
My question is no more stupid than your statement that prompted it.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#43
You are wrong, it is NOT the job of the Police...	MicaelS	Jul 2012	#41
well said.	DCBob	Jul 2012	#38
My guess	meanit	Jul 2012	#26
Exactly right. K&R!	Rhiannon12866	Jul 2012	#29
remember how after 9/11 conservatives said the Constitution isn't a suicide pact?	yurbud	Jul 2012	#36

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