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In the discussion thread: Bill Moyers: "NRA turned 2nd amendment into a cruel and deadly hoax" [View all]

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:25 PM

8. Lots exists from the founders.

I don't think much of anything exists from "the founders". It seems that part of the Bill of Rights was accepted without much debate. We really have no clue what they would have thought had they had any idea what we'd be faced with now. I would speculate they would be in favor of more restrictions than we have.

This is simply just not the case. There is a lot of information about what the founders thought. All the meeting notes are available for their debates about what to include in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

There are extensive writings from the era.

The founders created a government with decentralization of power as its main theme. This is why they created a government with three independent branches, and why they continued a decentralized military system.

The second amendment is about keeping military-grade small arms appropriate for infantry use in the hands of the people.

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43 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bill Moyers: "NRA turned 2nd amendment into a cruel and deadly hoax" [View all]	flamingdem	Jul 2012	OP
well said	DrDan	Jul 2012	#1
I've poked around looking for early second amendment debate information.	brewens	Jul 2012	#2
I think Justice Stevens' Dissent in Heller is an excellent discussion of 2nd Amendment.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#4
Let's hope, we need to win congress in Nov. that will help nt	flamingdem	Jul 2012	#5
Lots exists from the founders.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#8
I meant that there isn't all that much on specifically the second amendment.	brewens	Jul 2012	#12
Start with Wikipedia	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#15
within the context of a well-regulated state militia	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#30
But they have several erroneous points.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#32
their point is that the 2nd amendment is very specifically written to address	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#34
and the dissenters evaluation of the decision is also an interesting read	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#31
And Congress HAS regulated civilian uses of weapons.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#33
the 2nd amendment is about maintaining state militias	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#35
That is true.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#37
Fuck the NRA. I'll donate to any politician who publicly states	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#3
You realize the NRA supports Democrats, right?	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#7
Oh my, well in that case	iamthebandfanman	Jul 2012	#10
Yes, I realize that. That doesn't make the NRA any less despicable.	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#16
Good to know you think supporting Democrats is despicable.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#19
Hey, are you Ron Paul ?	russspeakeasy	Jul 2012	#20
I don't get it.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#22
K&R. Well said.	Overseas	Jul 2012	#6
Many errors in his video	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#9
Then the Assault Weapons Ban wasn't strong enough.	Chorophyll	Jul 2012	#11
+1000	gtar100	Jul 2012	#13
So how would you have changed it?	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#14
And the problem with that is?	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#17
The weapons shown are neither an AK-47 nor an M-1 carbine.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#18
OK, I don't know about those two specific weapons.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#21
Ah the old "penis" canard.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#23
It's not a canard, it's a major reason why gun nuts collect guns.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#24
Crock of shit.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#25
A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#27
A question for you.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#28
Latest	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#39
I notice you didn't answer my question:	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#40
Because it's a stupid question, which does not deserve answering	Fortinbras Armstrong	Jul 2012	#42
My question is no more stupid than your statement that prompted it.	Atypical Liberal	Jul 2012	#43
You are wrong, it is NOT the job of the Police...	MicaelS	Jul 2012	#41
well said.	DCBob	Jul 2012	#38
My guess	meanit	Jul 2012	#26
Exactly right. K&R!	Rhiannon12866	Jul 2012	#29
remember how after 9/11 conservatives said the Constitution isn't a suicide pact?	yurbud	Jul 2012	#36

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