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OrwellwasRight

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4. Yup, the "we don't need unions" crowd are about as effective as

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:25 AM

Jun 2012

the "let's let the corporations write our trade agreements" crowd and the "Social Security won't be there when I retire" crowd.

Just enabling the right to do what they do faster and stronger.

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Why all the "Left Anti-Unionism" after the Wisconsin defeat? [View all] OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 OP

Unrepresented labor josejimenez Jun 2012 #1

True. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #3

This is a venerable strain in US politics. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #2

Yup, the "we don't need unions" crowd are about as effective as OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #4

Union leadership has sold out mcmurphy Jun 2012 #5

How would you suggest the tide be turned? MADem Jun 2012 #8

The solution, I think, is to (a) define and be guided by our principled stances, mcmurphy Jun 2012 #10

The problem with that is that we are a Big Tent Party. MADem Jun 2012 #12

""Our principled stances" vary from member to member, from voter to voter, from region to region." mcmurphy Jun 2012 #29

How shitty--you don't even know me and you're telling me what applies to me. Keep it up. MADem Jun 2012 #33

Who are you supporting for pres at this time? uppityperson Jun 2012 #15

Planned Parenthood... mcmurphy Jun 2012 #30

What did PP become? "until it became a, well...no matter"? uppityperson Jun 2012 #34

I wish people would stop saying this Doctor_J Jun 2012 #35

No it wasn't. Walker is now a caged animal and a target of an investigation. MADem Jun 2012 #38

He was already the target of an investigation Doctor_J Jun 2012 #56

If every RW governor currently in office was caged by a Dem Senate, we'd be in great shape. MADem Jun 2012 #57

And a fine time it is to be sanguine Doctor_J Jun 2012 #58

I would say that is pretty harsh. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #11

judged by their actions, i think we can say that the top leadership of the unions sold out a long HiPointDem Jun 2012 #14

What actions are you talking about? nt. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #16

40 years of concessions. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #18

That is a talking point, not evidence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #19

i'm not bashing unions. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #26

I still don't see your point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #27

there weren't 7% in 1980. it's *because* the big unions (the company unions) didn't show any HiPointDem Jun 2012 #28

It is a random chart. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #39

it's not a random chart. it's a chart showing the sharp decline in labor actions after 1980. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #47

"as anyone can see by looking at the url." OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #51

anyone can see the url for graphics by right-clicking on them and selecting that option. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #54

It would also help to stop making "The DLC" the boogie man, here. MADem Jun 2012 #40

I don't think so. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #43

You're probably right--if a defunct organization is used as a poutrage justifier, it's all yack and MADem Jun 2012 #44

their actions are what makes them sell-outs. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #48

Again, no evidence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #52

the proof is in the pudding. which is, unions are dead & have not acted as defenders of labor HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55

"Unions don't support the DLC." mcmurphy Jun 2012 #31

Im sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #37

The DLC shut down in Feb 2011. Let's blame the Whigs while we're at it, too. nt MADem Jun 2012 #41

Thank you. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #42

I can tell ya where it's coming from. MADem Jun 2012 #45

but the third way democrats are still the party leadership. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49

so what is their solutions to this perceived problem? madrchsod Jun 2012 #6

the author is a professor OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #20

that's funny, professional apologists bore *me*. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50

It's a matter of picking battles. DailyGrind51 Jun 2012 #7

Progressives invented the recall, so I'm not sure that is a completely fair criticism. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #9

What has arisen on the left which you misread as an anti labor sentiment is aimed at the leadership. mcmurphy Jun 2012 #32

Feingold is a progressive voice that supported this recall... midnight Jun 2012 #24

Who delievered a win? Doctor_J Jun 2012 #36

The million people who signed the petition.... They are the winners. They stood up and were counted midnight Jun 2012 #46

walker is still the governor Doctor_J Jun 2012 #53

manufactured consent Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #13

Love the screen name! OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #17

+++++1000 midnight Jun 2012 #23

"Success has many fathers..." ljm2002 Jun 2012 #21

White House official: 'Organized labor just flushed $10 million down the toilet' midnight Jun 2012 #22

I agree with one of the posters on that article. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #25