HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » Amazon to Cut E-Book Pric... » Reply #134
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Response to rebecca_herman (Reply #133)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:47 AM

134. Amazon is not and never will be a

monopoly. Publishers can easily open their own online bookstores and offer Amazon competition. There's nothing stopping them from doing that. And there are several other online bookstores out there. Amazon's popularity doesn't make them a monopoly. And Amazon is popular because they offer outstanding customer service.

But what I really have to take issue with is this statement, which shows your complete lack of knowledge about the publishing industry:

Personally, I think it's perfectly fair that the authors get less from the publisher, because the publisher pays for editing, design, marketing, etc, where a self published author would either have to do without those things, or pay for those services with his or her own money and time.

First, yes, publishers DO pay for these things. But the cost of such things is actually minimal. The self-published authors I speak of also pay for these things and it costs them a mere fraction of their sales and is a FIXED cost. Once the editing is done, it's done. Once the cover is designed, it's done. Publishers (and authors) pay no additional money for these things.

As for marketing, there was a time when publishers did a lot of it. Nowadays the marketing scheme with the publishers my friends and I have dealt with (and I'm talking Big 6) usually amounts to telling the author to hit the blogs and the social networks and talk up their book. The publicity department sends out advance reading copies to reviewers, who are now usually easily accessible bloggers, because newspapers review books less and less. While a lot of marketing dollars may be pumped into an author who is already a bestseller or the one or two books that the publisher decides to push, most of the time the author is left on his own.

That's a fact. And any author will tell you this.

Yet you think authors should get LESS than the publisher? You think authors should only get 17.5% of ebook sales? It's even LESS for hardcovers and mass market paperbacks (10% and below in most cases). Publishers are taking a HUGE cut of sales for a contribution to the project that basically amounts to minimal fixed costs per book. In their defense, they DO offer advances, but in most cases that's only a few thousand dollars.

Yet, for this, you think they DESERVE that higher cut? You're siding with the middle man against the actual person who sits down and creates a story out of nothing, creates characters out of nothing, builds a world for the reader (you) to get lost in, and works seven days a week for MONTHS, sometimes a year, to write that book?

I can only assume that you're a middle man yourself who has nothing but contempt for creatives, or you simply don't value the person who makes the most significant (arguably the ONLY significant) contribution to the work. What other explanation is there?

There was a time when authors had no choice but to, basically, become SLAVES to the publishing companies because the publishing companies controlled the printing press—and, more importantly, distribution. Do you realize that most authors have day jobs? Yet publishing companies employ hundreds of staffers and pay them living wages, while offering THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR BUSINESS POSSIBLE far, far less. Yes, there are a few millionaire authors out there, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

But thanks to Amazon, that's no longer true. Authors who until a couple years ago had to scrape to make a living are now able to make a damn good one, thanks to the Kindle and Amazon's generous royalty structure.

Yet you accuse Amazon of being predatory and give the publishers a pass. You think authors should get the smaller cut because, I assume, you think their contribution to a book is far less important. ????

I truly can't fathom why else you would say such a thing.

Reply to this post

Back to OP Alert abuse Link to post in-thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 165 replies Author Time Post
onehandle Apr 2012 OP
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #1
onehandle Apr 2012 #3
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #4
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #70
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #71
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #73
TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #10
joshcryer Apr 2012 #41
russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #20
joshcryer Apr 2012 #44
onehandle Apr 2012 #84
joshcryer Apr 2012 #85
Vehl Apr 2012 #162
joshcryer Apr 2012 #163
Vehl Apr 2012 #164
2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #67
IndyJones Apr 2012 #105
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #103
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #117
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #121
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #124
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #128
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #129
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #130
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #131
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #132
rebecca_herman Apr 2012 #133
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Amazon is not and never will be a
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #134
Vehl Apr 2012 #161
ejpoeta Apr 2012 #2
onehandle Apr 2012 #6
ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #11
RainDog Apr 2012 #140
Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #145
GodlessBiker Apr 2012 #5
obxhead Apr 2012 #7
onehandle Apr 2012 #8
groundloop Apr 2012 #13
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #15
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #26
TiberiusB Apr 2012 #43
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #49
TiberiusB Apr 2012 #159
joshcryer Apr 2012 #93
TiberiusB Apr 2012 #158
joshcryer Apr 2012 #160
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #123
joshcryer Apr 2012 #45
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #51
joshcryer Apr 2012 #52
sofa king Apr 2012 #12
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #16
obxhead Apr 2012 #21
sofa king Apr 2012 #109
joshcryer Apr 2012 #46
sofa king Apr 2012 #107
CRK7376 Apr 2012 #18
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #19
goclark Apr 2012 #25
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #53
pscot Apr 2012 #32
obxhead Apr 2012 #22
apnu Apr 2012 #65
Orrex Apr 2012 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #14
wyldwolf Apr 2012 #17
joshcryer Apr 2012 #54
apnu Apr 2012 #78
joshcryer Apr 2012 #79
savalez Apr 2012 #90
MelissaMSmith Apr 2012 #23
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #27
MelissaMSmith Apr 2012 #29
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #30
MelissaMSmith Apr 2012 #34
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #35
WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #112
uppityperson Apr 2012 #56
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #60
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #63
uppityperson Apr 2012 #68
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #74
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #83
uppityperson Apr 2012 #95
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #97
uppityperson Apr 2012 #98
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #99
uppityperson Apr 2012 #100
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #102
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #31
uppityperson Apr 2012 #57
TiberiusB Apr 2012 #66
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #69
kentauros Apr 2012 #101
Fumesucker Apr 2012 #106
kentauros Apr 2012 #108
Fumesucker Apr 2012 #111
kentauros Apr 2012 #113
Fumesucker Apr 2012 #115
kentauros Apr 2012 #116
joshcryer Apr 2012 #141
Fumesucker Apr 2012 #149
joshcryer Apr 2012 #150
Fumesucker Apr 2012 #152
flamingdem Apr 2012 #28
onehandle Apr 2012 #33
joshcryer Apr 2012 #47
goclark Apr 2012 #24
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #37
saras Apr 2012 #36
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #38
Bradical79 Apr 2012 #61
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #62
onehandle Apr 2012 #39
enlightenment Apr 2012 #42
joshcryer Apr 2012 #48
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #64
MelissaMSmith Apr 2012 #91
naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #92
mainer Apr 2012 #76
joshcryer Apr 2012 #81
onehandle Apr 2012 #88
joshcryer Apr 2012 #89
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #59
joshcryer Apr 2012 #80
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #82
joshcryer Apr 2012 #86
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #87
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #75
mainer Apr 2012 #40
joshcryer Apr 2012 #50
greyl Apr 2012 #104
mainer Apr 2012 #137
joshcryer Apr 2012 #139
mainer Apr 2012 #144
joshcryer Apr 2012 #147
mainer Apr 2012 #154
joshcryer Apr 2012 #155
mainer Apr 2012 #156
kentauros Apr 2012 #148
joshcryer Apr 2012 #151
kentauros Apr 2012 #157
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55
patrice Apr 2012 #58
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #72
mainer Apr 2012 #77
sendero Apr 2012 #94
lanlady Apr 2012 #96
They_Live Apr 2012 #110
kentauros Apr 2012 #114
RainDog Apr 2012 #142
mainer Apr 2012 #118
joshcryer Apr 2012 #127
mainer Apr 2012 #119
Kurska Apr 2012 #120
Marooned Apr 2012 #122
joshcryer Apr 2012 #126
mainer Apr 2012 #136
joshcryer Apr 2012 #138
mainer Apr 2012 #143
joshcryer Apr 2012 #146
PavePusher Apr 2012 #125
mainer Apr 2012 #135
polichick Apr 2012 #153
RainDog Apr 2012 #165
Please login to view edit histories.