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In the discussion thread: Amazon to Cut E-Book Prices, Shaking Rivals (making Amazon a Monopoly) [View all]

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:29 AM

saras (6,670 posts)

36. This mindless seeking of cheap prices regardless of consequences is the CAUSE of our problems...

...what the fuck is with DUers arguing, apparently in all seriousness, that they UNDERSTAND how monopoly works, and they're going to SUPPORT it anyways, and they want cheering and support from DU?

Fuck you, you're in the wrong party. I hear there's plenty of room for you in the right one.

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165 replies	Author	Time	Post
Amazon to Cut E-Book Prices, Shaking Rivals (making Amazon a Monopoly) [View all]	onehandle	Apr 2012	OP
are you serious?	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#1
Amazon has a history of dropping prices to kill off competition, then raise prices back up.	onehandle	Apr 2012	#3
I've noticed..	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#4
I'd prefer that to Amazon being the only place to buy books	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#70
Me too	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#71
But they are now well on their way to becoming one	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#73
Amazon was, and probably is still, losing money on Kindles and ebooks simply to...	TreasonousBastard	Apr 2012	#10
Kindles are sold "at cost." They get 30% of revnue from ebooks.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#41
Yup ! It's called "The Walmart Strategy".	russspeakeasy	Apr 2012	#20
If Amazon raised prices they would be liable to class action.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#44
LOL! Amazon = Walmart. Don't trust them. nt	onehandle	Apr 2012	#84
LOL! Apple = Wal-Mart! Don't trust them for music!	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#85
good one! :) nt	Vehl	Apr 2012	#162
Where's the thread about Apple contributing the most CO2?	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#163
Or the greenpeace protestors protesting on its roof!	Vehl	Apr 2012	#164
While the saintly Apple would never ever do such a thing, ever.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2012	#67
But, but....it's no fair when someone else does it!!!	IndyJones	Apr 2012	#105
What people forget or don't realize is	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#103
Opinion, not fact	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#117
It's a FACT	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#121
You make some pretty big assumptions	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#124
You've got it wrong, your tax dollars	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#128
Amazon can afford to fight their own battles	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#129
Fifty Shades of Gray	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#130
What Amazon is doing should be what is illegal	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#131
Amazon isn't destroying the value of anything	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#132
You aren't even reading what i'm posting	rebecca_herman	Apr 2012	#133
Amazon is not and never will be a	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#134
For some Apple Fans, Price fixing is ok if Apple does it	Vehl	Apr 2012	#161
a few years ago they had a price war with etoys and	ejpoeta	Apr 2012	#2
There go after who they can get away with going after.	onehandle	Apr 2012	#6
+1000 n/t	ProfessionalLeftist	Apr 2012	#11
the real issue is the govt telling a business they cannot price their own goods	RainDog	Apr 2012	#140
Government stopped enforcing Sherman Act violations (except for political enemies & extortion)	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#145
In the meantime, government establishes a minimum price for milk.	GodlessBiker	Apr 2012	#5
I've been saying for the last couple of years that ebook prices are outrageous.	obxhead	Apr 2012	#7
I agree. But now the Feds have handed the game to Amazon, giving them total control.	onehandle	Apr 2012	#8
This didn't hand anything to Amazon	groundloop	Apr 2012	#13
What stops other companies from opening an e-book store?	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#15
nothing	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#26
Who said that?	TiberiusB	Apr 2012	#43
That's what this Is about	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#49
That's simply how you see it...clearly	TiberiusB	Apr 2012	#159
The same way Apple cornered the digital music market?	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#93
What does that prove?	TiberiusB	Apr 2012	#158
What do you think of all the indie musicians who were saved by iTunes?	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#160
Amazon allows authors to do the same thing	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#123
This is actually a "free market' analysis. This is what "free marketers" dream about.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#45
I don't think so	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#51
Yes I am saying that the cartel is a "free marketers" wet dream.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#52
It's making some independent authors a good living, though.	sofa king	Apr 2012	#12
Several of us are trying to push something like this on college campuses	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#16
That's a completely different animal.	obxhead	Apr 2012	#21
Yes, I understand.	sofa king	Apr 2012	#109
There's a guy who watches the list closely, here's a link to a forum posting about it:	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#46
There's the guy! John Locke.	sofa king	Apr 2012	#107
My family gave me a Nook for Christmas	CRK7376	Apr 2012	#18
Your public library has ebooks for download	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#19
I'll check this out with my library right away	goclark	Apr 2012	#25
Like print books, ebooks can already be checked out	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#53
Amazon is my public library's	pscot	Apr 2012	#32
I agree.	obxhead	Apr 2012	#22
Yes these things are true but the author gets paid a % of that sale price.	apnu	Apr 2012	#65
How does this make Amazon a monopoly?	Orrex	Apr 2012	#9
It doesn't	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#14
I chose the Nook Tablet because most reviews rated it higher than the Kindle Fire... BUT...	wyldwolf	Apr 2012	#17
All of these companies get 30% of the proceeds, with digital the costs are astronomically...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#54
Your description of the book publication is accurate.	apnu	Apr 2012	#78
Yeah I think half what it'd sell for is quite reasonable.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#79
This message was self-deleted by its author	savalez	Apr 2012	#90
Amazon is not the hero you think	MelissaMSmith	Apr 2012	#23
Yes, it's great.	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#27
It's called supporting your community	MelissaMSmith	Apr 2012	#29
Why support mom & pop?	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#30
There is no talking with people like you	MelissaMSmith	Apr 2012	#34
They haven't changed... they have gotten worse	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#35
Maybe you should take into consideration	WeekendWarrior	Apr 2012	#112
Our local mom & pop used book store is great, wonderful people, selection, prices.	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#56
My horse and buggy shop always had the best geldings. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#60
yep,	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#63
Ours is very popular but the town is small and rent rose dramatically. "Outrageous prices, crappy	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#68
YTes, because the world revolves around you!	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#74
no,	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#83
I say f* the people who want to take my friends and neighbor's jobs away by not giving them	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#95
I don't want to take anybodys jobs away...	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#97
I bet you assume a lot. eom	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#98
Nope. nt.	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#99
You have proven you do. eom	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#100
Well	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#102
Let me elaborate	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#31
Good grief, don't you know Walmart online would give you a better deal? Why are you wasting money?	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#57
Yes, just like Walmart, cheap prices MUST be a universal good	TiberiusB	Apr 2012	#66
Thanks, i will. Nt	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#69
So, as an aspiring author,	kentauros	Apr 2012	#101
I think your analysis of paper books versus e/publishing and electronic readers is a bit off..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#106
I guess I'm not "most people."	kentauros	Apr 2012	#108
Other than flashlights and such we went for a week without electricity winter before last..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#111
I have also spent time in an urban setting without power.	kentauros	Apr 2012	#113
We couldn't go anywhere, the tree that took out the power blocked the road too..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#115
At least you know about camping, too :)	kentauros	Apr 2012	#116
The cloud retains everything.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#141
We live in an unfriendly universe..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#149
I love KSR, thanks for the (incidential) recommendation. :)	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#150
I kind of suspect that books are going to move toward an "edited by" strategy to an extent..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#152
Another nasty Amazon move came after they bought Createspace	flamingdem	Apr 2012	#28
Agreed. Amazon is the enemy of creativity. No hero there. nt	onehandle	Apr 2012	#33
I suppose you'd say that Apple iTunes was an enemy of creativity...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#47
All I know is my Kindle Fire - however	goclark	Apr 2012	#24
I suspect	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#37
This mindless seeking of cheap prices regardless of consequences is the CAUSE of our problems...	saras	Apr 2012	#36
This is not a monopoly	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#38
Do you understand how monopolies come about?	Bradical79	Apr 2012	#61
the answer to that,	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#62
Wait... The Walmart model is Not good for America? nt	onehandle	Apr 2012	#39
Honestly?	enlightenment	Apr 2012	#42
That is not what is happening here. It's being against price fixing.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#48
It's stunning, isn't it.	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#64
This post was hidden by jury decision.	MelissaMSmith	Apr 2012	#91
If what you were saying was true,	naaman fletcher	Apr 2012	#92
It's not about price-fixing. It's about undercutting the competition...	mainer	Apr 2012	#76
Apple did that. Went from $0.99 to $1.29.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#81
It's about making Amazon the world's publishing monopoly. They greased the right wheels.	onehandle	Apr 2012	#88
Amazon is but a blip in technological terms, as is Apple.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#89
It's just like iTunes. 99 cents a song killed creativity. Those songs should be 4.99 a piece! nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#59
Haha. :) And what about the record industry? Those poor record execs... they are mom and pops...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#80
Exactly. If they had kept songs at 4.99 a piece then maybe the mom and pops would still be around.	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#82
Yep this picture tells the story:	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#86
That's what they want you to think.	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#87
It's our atomized society, people don't think about the social impications...	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#75
The death knell of print books and bookstores	mainer	Apr 2012	#40
Yeah, but editors will still have a job.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#50
True. nt	greyl	Apr 2012	#104
Based on the awful self-pubbed books I've read...	mainer	Apr 2012	#137
Because they can't afford them. Amanda Hocking has an editor now.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#139
So self-published authors will continue to produce horrible, unedited books	mainer	Apr 2012	#144
Authors can edit.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#147
Then why are so many self-pubbed books so bad?	mainer	Apr 2012	#154
Because there are more bad authors than good authors.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#155
On this, we can agree on.	mainer	Apr 2012	#156
By the sound of things,	kentauros	Apr 2012	#148
To be sure, while editing can be as much as half or more of the process...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#151
I think I'm going to have to do something like your example	kentauros	Apr 2012	#157
The outrageous prices of e-books will be coming down? Oh no!!!!!!!!!! nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#55
So? How much regulation will be necessary to get Amazon to put people before profits?	patrice	Apr 2012	#58
Teddy Roosevelt wept!	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#72
Get all the 99 cent e-books you want on Amazon!	mainer	Apr 2012	#77
Welcome to Capitalism American Style.	sendero	Apr 2012	#94
will Justice ever find time to go after America's greatest monopolists...	lanlady	Apr 2012	#96
What about the implications for Public Libraries?	They_Live	Apr 2012	#110
While the paper books last,	kentauros	Apr 2012	#114
At this time, people still prefer print books for children	RainDog	Apr 2012	#142
Readers will be the ultimate victims if this suit succeeds	mainer	Apr 2012	#118
The same shit was said about iTunes.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#127
ABA calls lawsuit "baffling"	mainer	Apr 2012	#119
Godbless Amazon, take it to these fucking greedy publishing rats.	Kurska	Apr 2012	#120
+1	Marooned	Apr 2012	#122
+1! Glad you are getting somewhere!	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#126
No matter what, authors will be fine	mainer	Apr 2012	#136
So "quality" should a barrier to the market? Rowling was rejected by TWELVE publishers.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#138
Quality was never a barrier to the market	mainer	Apr 2012	#143
JK Rowling didn't HAVE the self-publishing option that Amazon gives you.	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#146
$9.99 still means the e-books will be more expensive than paperbacks...	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#125
But once a book goes into paperback	mainer	Apr 2012	#135
Ever since Amazon stopped their $9.99 deal and allowed publishers...	polichick	Apr 2012	#153
The cost difference b/t ebooks and print books is minimal	RainDog	Apr 2012	#165

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