17. Yeah, a lot of credibility was lost. The question is what was accomplished.
What did the Iraq war do to prevent nuke proliferation? They didn't cheer and get on the same side as us... Which is no surprise to me, or anybody else in the protests I marched in before the war happened. But it seemed to come as a surprise for a lot of other people... So at this point, I feel pretty vindicated in standing up for peace: Like it or not, what they need to realized is long term the solution is getting 99% of the world on the same side as the issue, building consensus, like Sting was doing in that song. War won't do that. I mean, why would Iran want a nuke? Who threatens it? The US. If somebody shoots the guy standing next to you, its pretty damn clear as to why you yourself might want a gun at that point, and a lot of people understand that. Furthermore, all the talks about controlling the straits of Hormuz underscores the geopolitical significance of the region, so this whole huge divisive global clown show is now being tied to non-proliferation, an issue we should be getting everybody on the same side of, not dividing the world over.