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10. Estadounidense thinking

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:22 PM

Mar 2012

I fear it will take much more heavy handed police brutality for obsequious Americans to protest and speak up. At least in Latin America, the general population know the realities.

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Death of consul's daughter spurs Venezuela outcry [View all] Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 OP

So they blew a check-point and got shot? Wilms Mar 2012 #1

an innocent 19 year old woman was killed, thats what n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #2

You demonstrate a lack of understanding COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #5

Estadounidense thinking izquierdista Mar 2012 #10

The police could have shot out a tire or two. pnwmom Mar 2012 #9

At night, on a speeding car? EFerrari Mar 2012 #13

No harder than shooting her, at night, in a speeding car. All they had to do was aim lower. pnwmom Mar 2012 #25

Unless you know where to buy *magic bullets... DRoseDARs Mar 2012 #28

The car was hit by 6 bullets, the girl was hit by three. joshcryer Mar 2012 #35

If they were firing indiscriminately, how come they didn't manage to hit a tire pnwmom Mar 2012 #39

The reporting of this shooting isn't great. EFerrari Mar 2012 #51

The police could've turned on their police lights. joshcryer Mar 2012 #21

si it's like that kid in Florida backwoodsbob Mar 2012 #15

A checkpoint in the second deadliest country on the planet, with no police lights on? joshcryer Mar 2012 #20

He said they ignored a police command to stop, fearing the officers might be robbers. MADem Mar 2012 #3

Please see my response (above) COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #6

It looks like MADem kind of gets your point. Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #7

Yep. I lived in Ecuador for four years COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #8

I don't understand why I would have to take up residence to make an observation. MADem Mar 2012 #18

My point is that unless you have some COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #36

I've lived all over the world. I also learned to read when I was three years old. MADem Mar 2012 #42

With that reading expertise I can see how you COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #73

Well, say...speaking of reading, that line of mine you quoted was a riff off my subject line... MADem Mar 2012 #90

It IS easy to fake being the police, unfortunately DFW Mar 2012 #12

Bummer. nt MADem Mar 2012 #17

Yeah, I wish I could say otherwise. DFW Mar 2012 #72

That is too bad. Apparently trigger-happy cops aren't just a problem here. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #4

The lousy economy in Venezuela which COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #11

According to Chavez' justice minister in 2009 15-20% of murder and kidnappings were done by police. joshcryer Mar 2012 #19

That's a terrifying estimate. Makes it sound like Mexico or something. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #23

In some ways the out of control crime wave COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #74

I'll keep that in mind the next time I run into a police checkpoint reorg Mar 2012 #14

I suppose you don't live in the second deadliest (murderous) country on the planet? joshcryer Mar 2012 #16

I'm not a rich kid reorg Mar 2012 #22

I expect the prosecution of these criminals. joshcryer Mar 2012 #24

The point is that some people are masquerading as police pnwmom Mar 2012 #26

no, the point is reorg Mar 2012 #31

Where I live, cops have killed citizens for a broad variety of bogus reasons, no end in sight, Judi Lynn Mar 2012 #32

I don't see much Chavez bashing here. In fact I only see one instance where the comparison is made. joshcryer Mar 2012 #33

No, the point is that it's not unreasonable for some young dude to fear for his life... joshcryer Mar 2012 #34

that is not the claim reorg Mar 2012 #43

Yes, because the proper move over a stolen car is to execute the occupants. joshcryer Mar 2012 #45

The "some guy" you refer to is a diplomat from Chile. pnwmom Mar 2012 #38

I don't know where he is from reorg Mar 2012 #49

+1 nt. harmonicon Mar 2012 #71

I'm betting hard cars (bullet proofed) and ballistic clothing are big sellers lately. MADem Mar 2012 #44

Armored cars are a big thing in Caracas. Of course, you mention it... joshcryer Mar 2012 #46

I've driven a hard car a time or two--difficult as hell. MADem Mar 2012 #48

It is a whole region of high murder rates. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #87

Yeah, but by your own link, South America's crime is down, but it's up in Venezuela. joshcryer Mar 2012 #93

Spoken like someone who's only experienced first world problems. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #27

are you talking to me? reorg Mar 2012 #30

Nothing like generalizing COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #75

Sure, whatever. reorg Mar 2012 #83

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #85

Sorry, I cannot believe any Democrat would stick up for that rotten government. era veteran Mar 2012 #29

Sorry, I cannot believe any Democrat WOULDN'T. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2012 #37

Chavez and being a Democrat have nothing to do with each other. I agree with the previous poster n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #76

They have everything to do with being a Democrat, bitchkitty Mar 2012 #88

they have absolutely nothing to do with being a Democrat n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #89

the police in Venezuela are overwhelmingly right-wing. provis99 Mar 2012 #40

LOL, "they're there to protect the upper class." Which is why they do "express kidnappings." joshcryer Mar 2012 #41

I am not sticking up for the Goddamn Police era veteran Mar 2012 #54

That doesn't even make sense. EFerrari Mar 2012 #47

Such a small detail, isn't it? It requires intelligence to grasp that distinction. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2012 #53

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I wouldn't fight it Broderick Mar 2012 #59

Could you rephrase that because I have no idea what you just said. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #60

lol. IOW Broderick Mar 2012 #63

Yes, this topic gets very heated. EFerrari Mar 2012 #65

That I agree with Broderick Mar 2012 #67

I think he also draws fire on purpose EFerrari Mar 2012 #70

Yes I know, Too many TBI's from keeping these cultist free to post about their hero. era veteran Mar 2012 #61

Just trying to prevent a coronary here is all Broderick Mar 2012 #64

Since Hugo Chavez didn't shoot this young woman EFerrari Mar 2012 #68

That may very well be true Broderick Mar 2012 #69

I has everything to do with that government. era veteran Mar 2012 #55

Can you explain how? EFerrari Mar 2012 #58

That Government checkpoint thing era veteran Mar 2012 #62

It was a police checkpoint, not a government checkpoint.n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #66

the police force is the National police, corruption and murder are rampant Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #77

Chavez is the president of the republic, not the chief of police. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #79

ahhh OK, criminal elements in the national police force, and lack of general public security Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #81

Since you have been involved in the discussion of Ven police reform since 2009 or so EFerrari Mar 2012 #94

No. It was a checkpoint for the CICPC, COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #84

Police roadblocks in the United States? Er, well, yeah. We have them all the time. ieoeja Mar 2012 #86

wrong. the police were in fact from the national police force the CICPC Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #78

The point still stands. EFerrari Mar 2012 #80

I am not bashing Chavez for the killing of the young women, I am saying he does have responsibility Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #82

This would be considered unacceptable by most people here if this took place in the US octothorpe Mar 2012 #50

I don't see anyone defending the shooting of this young woman. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #52

At the bare minimum we wouldn't call it "accidential" like post #51. joshcryer Mar 2012 #91

indeed. aiming and shooting at a car and the occupants isn't an accident n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #92

It's almost funny how police brutality suddenly becomes a bad thing. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #95