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35. The Third Horseman of the Apocalypse

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Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:53 PM

Mar 2012

Famine. Thanks Monsanto, et als.

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Insect Experts issue "Urgent" Warning on using GM seeds [View all] hedgehog Mar 2012 OP

I guess God must have created some Bt resistant rootworms just to teach us a lesson. nt bemildred Mar 2012 #1

Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2012 #2

from your article above ...we just sold our corn surplus to CHINA lovuian Mar 2012 #3

Resistant? MuseRider Mar 2012 #4

I had read somewhere (but can't find the link now) that about 95% of commercially grown AllyCat Mar 2012 #6

yeah, well we can go back on the DU forum newspeak Mar 2012 #59

Yeah, that was Percy Schmeiser. laundry_queen Apr 2012 #81

Corn couldn't exist/grow in the wild Marthe48 Apr 2012 #80

the name derives from the form of the toxin in situ in Bt.... mike_c Mar 2012 #9

:-) MuseRider Mar 2012 #18

You think that's bad, my family carries what we rerer to as the "Samuel Jackson gene" hedgehog Mar 2012 #22

LOL-- it sounds juvenile... mike_c Mar 2012 #34

If I understood you right caseymoz Mar 2012 #49

I'd like to follow this siligut Mar 2012 #5

Leave it up to Monsanto... CanSocDem Mar 2012 #7

Do not eat corn or corn products. The Doctor. Mar 2012 #8

poisoned? mike_c Mar 2012 #10

You are incorrect! tonybgood Mar 2012 #13

The Bt toxin as used by organic farmers has not been shown to cause harm. hedgehog Mar 2012 #27

That's because it's applied externally and rots, it's not the innards of the plant producing it. saras Mar 2012 #28

the cry endotoxins are identical... mike_c Mar 2012 #30

but in different forms (crystal vs raw toxin) Tumbulu Mar 2012 #44

there is no evidence of vertebrate Bt toxicity at all, period.... mike_c Mar 2012 #29

Good to have that info - it's what I would expect, but I hedgehog Mar 2012 #39

There are thousands of B.t. strains and some produce other endogenous Tumbulu Mar 2012 #45

What are the results? Gore1FL Mar 2012 #50

In the three years that I worked Tumbulu Mar 2012 #57

that's in Bacillus, not in the engineered plant.... mike_c Mar 2012 #58

yes, I in fact identified toxins Tumbulu Mar 2012 #60

Problem is, it isn't just genes that matter. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #65

well, Bt is extremely well studied... mike_c Mar 2012 #66

there are actual differences between the specificity/mode of action/biodegradebaly of the B.t. toxin Tumbulu Mar 2012 #72

citation? mike_c Apr 2012 #73

You can google this perhaps Tumbulu Apr 2012 #76

As long as it don't kill you it is good to eat... zeemike Mar 2012 #14

I must be part bug then. DCKit Mar 2012 #21

be that as it may, Bt has nothing to do with it.... mike_c Mar 2012 #31

Well, then I guess whatever it breaks down to is pretty toxic to my system. DCKit Mar 2012 #41

I do believe that the toxin produced by the plant Tumbulu Mar 2012 #47

You have belief, I have Santorum. nt DCKit Mar 2012 #53

Or to re-phrase what you have said - hedgehog Mar 2012 #26

exactly so.... mike_c Mar 2012 #32

Humans shit on all their gifts. Including the earth itself. hunter Mar 2012 #38

Well said! hedgehog Mar 2012 #40

AND in 1986 at the Entomological Association Tumbulu Mar 2012 #46

the crystal toxin produced by the bacteria Tumbulu Mar 2012 #43

Mitchell says, "A lot of the time, farming is run by bankers now". Trillo Mar 2012 #11

Cash-crop farming always has been. HubertHeaver Mar 2012 #17

And in modern day America, zoning codes are used Trillo Mar 2012 #56

Pre-Civil War subsistence agriculture was the rule for poor whites and free blacks. HubertHeaver Mar 2012 #61

Can't sell a solution if there are no problems. The Spanish did their best to outlaw the natives in harun Mar 2012 #63

Back to the pesticides. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #12

$15 a bushel corn! sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #15

It is not clear what the urgency is FarCenter Mar 2012 #16

There is always that one greedy F'er down the road that will go fencerow to fencerow with corn while HubertHeaver Mar 2012 #19

It's not so easy for the very large farms to go back to crop rotation anymore NickB79 Apr 2012 #77

Another flavour of "Too Big To Fail"? Nihil Apr 2012 #78

SUPRISE! SUPRISE! Nature is smarter than (Mon)Insaneto. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #20

Of course, this will be kept quiet from the mainstream..... Smilo Mar 2012 #23

I guess the GM manufactuers could Sue the Insects n/t LarryNM Mar 2012 #24

Great! Built in insecticide lunatica Mar 2012 #25

Insects hate it too. Anything dangerous to one form of life is likely to be dangerous to another. harun Mar 2012 #33

oxygen is utterly toxic to anaerobic organisms... mike_c Mar 2012 #36

The Third Horseman of the Apocalypse 1monster Mar 2012 #35

Evolution 1 Genetic Engineering 0. Crunchy Frog Mar 2012 #37

While I hate to see this happening I still think that something like this needed to happen in order jwirr Mar 2012 #42

Heard a report on NPR Bohunk68 Mar 2012 #48

If anything that report actually underestimated how bad the stuff is. JoeyT Mar 2012 #51

My understanding of sustainable or organic gardening methods is that hedgehog Mar 2012 #55

Wow... chervilant Mar 2012 #52

That's primarily due to depleted soil nutrition NickB79 Mar 2012 #70

Indeed. chervilant Mar 2012 #71

No matter what they have ever done to get rid of insects RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #54

Soylent green is people!.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #62

How ironic that their worst nightmare has been realized, when America's Vidar Mar 2012 #64

The bigger question is how durable is the seed? Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #67

you mean the wild corn seed? Kali Mar 2012 #68

Well, that's a good thing, right? Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #69

History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men slackmaster Apr 2012 #74

History shows again and again the folly of mother nature...... nolabels Apr 2012 #79

Don't mess with Mother Nature. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Apr 2012 #75