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MattPavo

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13. What's the big deal?
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 12:02 PM
Mar 2012

I sit here amazed at the ignorance I have seen in some of your responses. To begin, the government does NOT have the authority to regulate property that it does not own, which includes anywhere outside of school property in this case. What Arizona is considering is nothing new. Here in my state of Tennessee, parents with a handgun carry permit are allowed to keep their gun, yes loaded, in their car while they drop their kids off. No violence or mania as suggested, but such is always the case: there's always a bunch of talk when a "radical" gun bill is introduced that "kids will be in danger and how can those damn right wingers be so stupid", then the bill passes and nothing exciting happens. After that, nobody seems to talk about it anymore, then when another bill is introduced the chatter starts again. It has happened here MANY times. For example, in 2009 when handgun carry permit holders were allowed to carry guns into state parks and many local parks, there were loads of mayors, park rangers and police chiefs who predicted violence and all sorts of fanciful things that never happened. Tennessee parks are just as safe and family friendly as ever, and I wouldn't see why anyone would expect them to be any different, the states that legalized carry in parks before us didn't experience any such mayhem either. But I do know why this pattern occurs, people like to have opinions on subjects and most often they form them without any research into the matter at all. They just come up with things like, "guns and education just don't mix", but I really don't see how a gun in a glove box on the street 500 or 1000 feet away interupts anyone's education. If someone unauthorized carries a gun into a classroom or school building, it's still as illegal as ever, but anti-gunners will make it sound like the bill will make it legal for just anyone to bring their firearm onto school property, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. Only those with a permit can bring their gun within 1000 feeet or to the parking lot, which is a far cry from some pedophile being allowed to walk into a classroom with a gun. Just because you can voice your opinion doesn't mean you should. When ignorant people go vote on things they know nothing about, then we start to lose our rights and gain nothing as a result, so shame on to all of you that try to restrict my second amendment right while knowing nothing on the topic whatsoever.

their need for their guns is astounding . . . can never be away from them DrDan Mar 2012 #1
They are more concerned about their 'rights' than with their children's education n2doc Mar 2012 #7
as well as the students' right to safety DrDan Mar 2012 #50
Except anyone who understands English grammer would agree that the right of individuals to own and nanabugg Mar 2012 #56
Explain that one, please. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #63
What is a grammer? sikorsky Mar 2012 #78
So, I guess no explaination, eh? PavePusher Mar 2012 #82
... Justice wanted Mar 2012 #2
Great idea. Shadowflash Mar 2012 #3
Why don't they just put up some signs? sikorsky Mar 2012 #4
I guess AsahinaKimi Mar 2012 #5
Here's a video just for you, AsahinaKimi slackmaster Mar 2012 #10
Aw...I was hoping it was this one... AsahinaKimi Mar 2012 #49
Disgusting, the gun-worship in that state!1 BuddhaGirl Mar 2012 #18
But you have it NRA-backward. See, more guns = less crime. Ergo, Doctor_J Mar 2012 #40
I get the impression you have read the cover of a particular book slackmaster Mar 2012 #55
Finally! AlbertCat Mar 2012 #6
These people are completely mad! What is wrong with them? AllyCat Mar 2012 #8
The author didn't research the subject very thoroughly. slackmaster Mar 2012 #9
It may not prevent it, but it gives us an added weapon to fight it. lastlib Mar 2012 #12
I applaud you for your honesty about your true intentions slackmaster Mar 2012 #14
All we are saying is "Give Peace A Chance"..... lastlib Mar 2012 #28
All we are saying is "Give Peace A Chance"..... EX500rider Mar 2012 #29
lol rofl, inorite! deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #42
Yes, your list... EX500rider Mar 2012 #44
omg inorite lolerskates deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #51
What are the over-all murder rates? PavePusher Mar 2012 #52
indeed deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #60
I think you missed the snark/satire...? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #62
I did sorry. deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #64
It gives police the authority to stop them 1000 yards away instead of after they are in the school saras Mar 2012 #15
1,000 feet. 333 yards, which is well within the effective range of a basic deer rifle. krispos42 Mar 2012 #74
Do they keep the sniper rifles next to the assault weapons? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #81
File that one under "false premises"* Kolesar Mar 2012 #21
Our Resident Gun Lobbyists will Claim guns are just like Pencils fascisthunter Mar 2012 #11
What's the big deal? MattPavo Mar 2012 #13
"Just because you can voice your opinion doesn't mean you should"? Welcome to DU? uppityperson Mar 2012 #17
Matt's way of saying "shut up" .. eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #22
Many of us on DU own guns, but we Smilo Mar 2012 #20
That wouldn't really be carrying concealed, would it? AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #32
And shame on you hootinholler Mar 2012 #23
Greetings - TBF Mar 2012 #25
Maybe the OP should have been posted there. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #79
Did someone take away your right to use carriage returns to denote paragraphs? n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #36
So your arguement is that guns are not needed in state parks? Thor_MN Mar 2012 #53
The government doesn't have the authority to regulate property it doesn't own???? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #67
No Sense In Complaining. Haven't You Heard? "The Gun Is Civilization" Paladin Mar 2012 #16
Luckily in DU3, you can hide that place along with 9/11ville, I/Pburg, and Conspiracyville. onehandle Mar 2012 #26
AZ just keeps going backwards in time Smilo Mar 2012 #19
I described AZ yesterday as "barely civilized" Doctor_J Mar 2012 #39
...or you were merely bigoted. Whatever. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #83
HERE'S THE TICKET... drynberg Mar 2012 #24
And a sign that says 'no guns' and a hypothetical penalty for a crime much less severe than actual AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #33
Just wondering did this law effect people who owned a home within 1000 feet? Also is there anything cstanleytech Mar 2012 #27
Property values went up Kolesar Mar 2012 #30
I didnt ask for what you or anyone here would expect but rather what were the actual effects if any. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #45
Absent any other response, I'd say: It made the overly credulous feel better friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #65
They're exempt, as are people with places of business slackmaster Mar 2012 #31
What?! RussBLib Mar 2012 #34
*facepalm* sakabatou Mar 2012 #35
I would support allowing guns within the school zone provided the remain in a car... Ian David Mar 2012 #37
Actually they want guns and prayers Doctor_J Mar 2012 #38
One irony about the gun nuts is that if it weren't for the hippies they detest, Doctor_J Mar 2012 #41
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how gun 'bans' keep out people with guns who don't sikorsky Mar 2012 #46
Amazing the number of people here that believe in word magic... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #48
So you support the notion that no one has ever been killed accidently by a gun? Thor_MN Mar 2012 #57
I don't disagree with anything you wrote except the part where you assume you know what I sikorsky Mar 2012 #70
No one can, or should try, to explain how a ban can exclude all weapons Thor_MN Mar 2012 #72
They dont but the other extreme end of the spectrum of advocating that people carry cstanleytech Mar 2012 #58
I never advocated for people to carry guns who didn't want to. Your straw man is dead. sikorsky Mar 2012 #71
" I never advocated" Good thing I never said that you were advocating it then. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #73
It sure seems to work in countreis where they do have bans Doctor_J Mar 2012 #77
My UNI is a "Gun free zone", some guy was just mugged at gun point in the parking lot a few days ago Kurska Mar 2012 #43
Guns in schools were pretty common 50+ years ago. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #47
No such an ordinance wont stop murder but carrying a weapon wont either. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #59
Murder and robbery were rare in the 19th century West. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #61
Please cite the 19th century crime stats that support your assertion. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #84
What asseration would that be exactly? That murders will continue to happen regardless of if people cstanleytech Mar 2012 #87
I generally hate the anti-gun nuts, but this is crazy. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #54
I generally hate gun death fetishists DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #68
How so? Specifics, please. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #69
O.K., I guess not. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #85
apparently Arizona is filled with Republican chickenshit gun cowards DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #66
Cite to evidence of your slanderous assertion, please. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #86
start with the fucking title of this thread and go from there. You'll figure it out. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #89
That logic isn't even circular.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #90
As assinine as this is it stil makes Virginia look not so bad underpants Mar 2012 #75
I could never understand minavasht Mar 2012 #76
"They only worship their phallic fetish. " Remmah2 Mar 2012 #80
Looks like all the states having the face time on the TV box has overwhelmed lonestarnot Mar 2012 #88
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