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pipoman

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15. Prior to farm subsidies
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:10 AM
Nov 2013

as they are today, farm production was driven by the market and cartel like 'associations'. If the price of corn dropped, the US corn growers associations would strongly encourage farmers to reduce production which would drive up prices creating great swings in commodity prices from one year to the next. Most people only consider the swing effects on local grocery prices..the effect is much more dramatic for fulfillment of government commodity contracts. The US government negotiates contracts for farm commodities with foreign governments years in advance. A massive swing in prices equal massive differences in value of these contracts making them extremely difficult to negotiate and draining tax dollars. It is the government's and tax payer's interest to stabilize commodity pricing.

Since farms in the US are private enterprise, the government can't impose restrictions on them for production. The subsidy programs are designed to require massive amounts of information about production to be submitted for statistical evaluation, and participation allows the government to dictate what crops and what volumes of commodities are produced.

I am sure that big agribusiness has corrupted the system...what system hasn't been corrupted by big business from the tax code to the clean air act? Bottom line remains, if the government wishes to control production of private enterprise, they must induce participation voluntarily, thus the subsidy/crop insurance programs in place now.

Wherever you offer a subsidy expect billionairs to find their way there... n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #1
Please give them more, it creates jobs! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #2
The Slackers!! Why can't they get real jobs and stop sucking on the government teat??!!! n/t Indi Guy Nov 2013 #3
Glad this is getting attention. gtar100 Nov 2013 #4
And yet SNAP is cut, Meal on Wheels is cut.... ReRe Nov 2013 #5
Now, now... we must not penalize our "job creators" theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #11
sadly, we are now.... ReRe Nov 2013 #13
Of course they did. Fair and balanced. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #6
What a country! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #7
It's good to see that the $20 cut we got this month is being used wisely. bearssoapbox Nov 2013 #8
To be fair, none of these billionaires are doing their taxes. glowing Nov 2013 #9
The accountants provide a service daleo Nov 2013 #26
Individuals who NEVER farmed, receiving $20,000 annually in farm subsidies for decades Divernan Nov 2013 #10
I know of cases as well. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #29
Pretending "Farm Subsidies" = Welfare pipoman Nov 2013 #12
Your argument is insultingly simplistic & flat wrong. The European Union is getting it right. Divernan Nov 2013 #14
Prior to farm subsidies pipoman Nov 2013 #15
They also suck billions out of the food stamp program. bluedeathray Nov 2013 #16
How about a little 'means testing' for farm subsidies instead of Social Security? sinkingfeeling Nov 2013 #17
THAT is the most excellent idea I've heard in a long time! Divernan Nov 2013 #31
This absurd subsidies also make it difficult for farmers in poor countries to compete with American pampango Nov 2013 #18
Hard to imagine that they would do that! dmosh42 Nov 2013 #19
There must be some punitive fine that could be levied against these people. burnsei sensei Nov 2013 #20
no wonder the GOP doesn't want to reduce them - n/t RussBLib Nov 2013 #21
The rich get richer... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #22
ELIMINATE ALL AGRO SUBSIDIES IN ALL FORMS! Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #23
And watch the price of groceries pipoman Nov 2013 #32
Michele Bachmann collects a cool $250K in Federal Farm Subsidies. bvar22 Nov 2013 #24
Contrast this to the food stamp story daleo Nov 2013 #25
Subsidies should phase out with the net worth of the receiver. Thor_MN Nov 2013 #27
Arg! Emit Nov 2013 #28
The farmers in our neck of the wood really know how to milk it Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #30
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