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abelenkpe

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59. Krugman's latest on Greece and Europe
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:53 PM
Feb 2012

What Ails Europe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/krugman-what-ails-europe.html?_r=2

But let’s do this systematically. Look at the 15 European nations currently using the euro (leaving Malta and Cyprus aside), and rank them by the percentage of G.D.P. they spent on social programs before the crisis. Do the troubled GIPSI nations (Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy) stand out for having unusually large welfare states? No, they don’t; only Italy was in the top five, and even so its welfare state was smaller than Germany’s.

So excessively large welfare states didn’t cause the troubles.

Next up, the German story, which is that it’s all about fiscal irresponsibility. This story seems to fit Greece, but nobody else. Italy ran deficits in the years before the crisis, but they were only slightly larger than Germany’s (Italy’s large debt is a legacy from irresponsible policies many years ago). Portugal’s deficits were significantly smaller, while Spain and Ireland actually ran surpluses.

Oh, and countries that aren’t on the euro seem able to run large deficits and carry large debts without facing any crises. Britain and the United States can borrow long-term at interest rates of around 2 percent; Japan, which is far more deeply in debt than any country in Europe, Greece included, pays only 1 percent.

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Maybe this and the other stories will help sway you away from thinking like a republican that Greece is alone responsible for it's woes and that it's suffers from being too much or a welfare state?

Greece had already increased their number of tax collectors dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #1
however CountAllVotes Feb 2012 #2
That's unassociated from your own OP dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #5
what is with the picture then? CountAllVotes Feb 2012 #7
The fact of the matter is dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #11
+1000 DeSwiss Feb 2012 #27
We need the Iceland plan here. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #30
And that is the right answer. nt TBF Feb 2012 #55
Two key paragraphs in the story about Iceland's debt crisis. AdHocSolver Feb 2012 #39
That's going to go over well CanonRay Feb 2012 #3
I was about to post something similiar itsrobert Feb 2012 #4
That's not the same at all. dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #6
Oh you. sudopod Feb 2012 #9
And all the money winds up back in German banks CanonRay Feb 2012 #15
Only if they were the sole lenders dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #35
Yes, I would rather KKE take over the government and TBF Feb 2012 #54
as I recall, the American colonies magical thyme Feb 2012 #47
Boy, they just can't resist adding more insult to injury.. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #8
Oh those poor Greeks... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #10
As long as it is the "rich" who are going to pay the taxes. jwirr Feb 2012 #14
I got a little mad. Nice try. 3/10 sudopod Feb 2012 #20
Gimme a break. Of course the politicians... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #23
Read this: abelenkpe Feb 2012 #24
Or this: abelenkpe Feb 2012 #45
Krugman's latest on Greece and Europe abelenkpe Feb 2012 #59
I don't understand the excuses for Greece fujiyama Feb 2012 #21
they did not offer full retirement in their 50s magical thyme Feb 2012 #46
My mistake fujiyama Feb 2012 #56
they should default and become a pariah nation magical thyme Feb 2012 #48
Apples and Oranges. former9thward Feb 2012 #53
So many potential jokes slackmaster Feb 2012 #12
I may be paranoid but that does not sound good to me. jwirr Feb 2012 #13
I thought that the Germans lost WW II. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2012 #16
this came to mind...Very Interesting...but stupid CTyankee Feb 2012 #17
lol ... CountAllVotes Feb 2012 #19
Old enough to remember... 1monster Feb 2012 #26
Laugh-In debuted in January 1968 Art_from_Ark Feb 2012 #43
Ah...such memories (I think). Thanks for the... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2012 #33
Sock it to me, Sock it to me, Sock it to me... (nt) reACTIONary Feb 2012 #40
Sock it to me? n/t amandabeech Feb 2012 #62
"Sock it to me" was... reACTIONary Mar 2012 #64
tankes ELKODCH Feb 2012 #18
Not The Onion. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #22
Not showing a lot of sensitivity toward the Greeks by the Germans, considering 1monster Feb 2012 #25
Well, isn't that just so very sweet of the Germans, NOT liberalhistorian Feb 2012 #28
If this was about squeezing the money out of peasants you might actually have a point but its not. cstanleytech Feb 2012 #29
I think people understand this but the peasants have been screwed in this whole deal while the CTyankee Feb 2012 #34
Hopefully the majority of greek citizens will realize that they are neither oppressors nor cstanleytech Feb 2012 #37
Nice ida QA_IT_Pro Feb 2012 #31
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #32
Well, someone has to do it. Bradical79 Feb 2012 #36
If you want the same currency as Germany, and the same living standard as Germany, Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #38
Can they get the salaries the Germens get, how about the free college education? fasttense Feb 2012 #44
they are more productive than the Germans magical thyme Feb 2012 #49
I do not defend the greeks DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #41
Some people think that the middle class in other EU countries should pay taxes for the Greeks? Democat Feb 2012 #42
Because the poor and working folks will be made to pick up the tab TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #52
As Democat said, why should it be the taxpayers in OTHER countries picking up the tab? Nihil Feb 2012 #58
The wealthy of whatever nation can pick up the tab, I'm going to stand TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #61
And I'm going to stand with the working class folks of the nations who *do* pay taxes. Nihil Feb 2012 #63
it's a lovely country with a wonderful climate magical thyme Feb 2012 #50
But who will volunteer to be the tax collectors' bodyguards? brentspeak Feb 2012 #51
HA! What could **possibly** go wrong? annabanana Feb 2012 #57
I hope the gun laws are pretty tight in Greece NickB79 Feb 2012 #60
. LetTimmySmoke Mar 2012 #65
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