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50. I think you're missing my point.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:15 PM
Feb 2012

The idea of Copyright long predates digital copying and distribution. Trying to pretend that these things are the same as what copyright was invented to protect is where the real problem lays.

The RIAA does not hold copyrights. What they object to is how new methods of distribution have made their economic interests irrelevant. It is by far those corporations and organizations which have been exploiting copyright holders who want to extend traditional ideas of copyright to new technology. They fear their obsolescence and the end of their exploitative industry.

It is not what copyright holders feel about distribution of their work which is at issue. What is at issue is the culture we actually live in. I don't know how old you are, but I assume that you've either watched things you recorded on television or listened to albums dubbed onto cassette tapes if you're at least in your 30s.

You say I'm endorsing a "help yourself" attitude, but that's far from the truth. I do live in this world, however, and I observe how it actually functions. What I actually support are small record and video shops. The last two albums I got were purchased at a store that a friend of mine owns.

See, we don't have a choice in whether or not the information contained on cds is distributed by others or not. It will happen. Whether you like it or not, and whether or not you consider it illegal, it's still free. Legal or illegal, free is free.

If someone downloads one of my albums from a torrent or free download site, there's nothing I can do about it. That's very different than someone else claiming ownership of my compositions (which is what copyright actually protects). It's just the transmission of information - if you overhear someone listening to a record that you didn't pay for, are you stealing? Information is - whether we like it or not - freely exchanged by many means. New technologies just make this more evident.

Ultimately, what I find to be very telling in these arguments is how capitalism has become so enshrined in our psyche that everything - even free information - is treated as a commodity. Think about theft as an abstract idea outside of its relevance to capitalism and see if your argument still holds water. I think it doesn't.

If you're really interested in this topic, at least have a glance at this:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx3d21wYXBlcnN8Z3g6ODkyYWVjMDlhZTRjZjg&pli=1

I thought blockbuster went out of business years ago. They all went out of business in my are of Justice wanted Feb 2012 #1
I thought so too. sakabatou Feb 2012 #26
I thought the same thing. . . BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #67
Thats great and all OverDone Feb 2012 #68
nope. Lots and lots of big ones in Los Angeles. Surrounded by them. Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #70
What's a 'Blockbuster Store?' onehandle Feb 2012 #2
You could go in and hire a magic lantern Ebadlun Feb 2012 #3
Cool. The last century must have been simply magical. nt onehandle Feb 2012 #31
Best laff of the week! FredStembottom Feb 2012 #42
My goodness. Wonders never cease! n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2012 #69
agreed IamK Feb 2012 #9
End of an era. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #4
But a major... ummm OverDone Feb 2012 #15
I imagine that the loss of video stores contributes to a lot of free downloading. harmonicon Feb 2012 #24
Because it's theft? Orrex Feb 2012 #28
Really? harmonicon Feb 2012 #32
Who owns the copyright? Orrex Feb 2012 #36
You did just make the "home taping is killing music" argument. harmonicon Feb 2012 #43
If copyright holders choose not to exercise theiir copyright, that's their business Orrex Feb 2012 #48
I think you're missing my point. harmonicon Feb 2012 #50
"theft as an abstract idea outside of its relevance to capitalism" Orrex Feb 2012 #52
Copyright concerns authorship apart from profit. harmonicon Feb 2012 #53
In order to support you position, you are resorting to equivocation Orrex Feb 2012 #54
I feel like I'm the one advocating a modern definition of copyright. harmonicon Feb 2012 #56
The copyright owner most certainly does own the copies Orrex Feb 2012 #57
Perhaps I'm a radical, but I think I'm just being logical and pragmatic. harmonicon Feb 2012 #58
The fact that copyright predates filesharing is irrelevant Orrex Feb 2012 #59
I bring up the lobbying groups for a simple reason: harmonicon Feb 2012 #60
Instead of Leonard Cohen, ask the question about Jimmy Buffett Orrex Feb 2012 #61
You have some facts wrong here. harmonicon Feb 2012 #64
Then why did you ask about performing someone else's song, except as a distraction? Orrex Feb 2012 #65
I don't think you're understanding the arguments I'm trying to make... harmonicon Feb 2012 #71
It's not that I don't understand you or that I'm unfamiliar with the subject Orrex Feb 2012 #72
I'm interested in your question. Boojatta Feb 2012 #66
In the End OverDone Feb 2012 #62
Because the people that made the film deserve remuneration for their efforts. nt Codeine Feb 2012 #45
Yes, and that's why I like video stores. nt. harmonicon Feb 2012 #46
True, and they will get it OverDone Feb 2012 #51
Mom and pops in the '80's PDittie Feb 2012 #29
I remember those mom and pop stores Broderick Feb 2012 #44
Good old mom and pop stores OverDone Feb 2012 #47
I miss video stores. It was fun rummaging around and finding offbeat titles. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #5
The Fun of going to find a movie OverDone Feb 2012 #7
And there was the room in the back with all the porn tapes FarCenter Feb 2012 #22
That's when you stumble across the offbeat stuff. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #34
He did the same thing with "Voom". Used them as a stepping stone to aquire the satellite, then still_one Feb 2012 #6
That Was Always The Plan otohara Feb 2012 #8
Online is great and everything OverDone Feb 2012 #10
The content providers actually want all digital content MicaelS Feb 2012 #12
I love Steam. christx30 Feb 2012 #18
That's what the big content owners are trying to do with movies... progress2k12nbynd Feb 2012 #20
The one time christx30 Feb 2012 #23
I reuse my gardening books and that's about it Kolesar Feb 2012 #30
Less Trash & Natural Resources otohara Feb 2012 #41
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2012 #11
The last one... blue_onyx Feb 2012 #13
video rental stores are as obsolete as renting TV sets alp227 Feb 2012 #14
Ha. I remember in the 1980's you could rent VCR's joeglow3 Feb 2012 #16
Soory no one is that old here OverDone Feb 2012 #17
I still have "records", mostly 33, few 78, with a record player, and I ain't getting rid of them.. northoftheborder Feb 2012 #40
Early 90s we had a service that would deliver food and movies. EFerrari Feb 2012 #21
I remembering going to those two stores sakabatou Feb 2012 #27
i'm surprised there are still 500 blockbuster stores left JI7 Feb 2012 #19
Never knew Dish Network owned it. n/t davidwparker Feb 2012 #25
That can happen OverDone Feb 2012 #38
There are still Blockbuster stores open!?! greiner3 Feb 2012 #33
But Redbox is growing DippyDem Feb 2012 #35
Redbox is about to cut a deal with Verizon onenote Feb 2012 #49
Didn't know that OverDone Feb 2012 #55
Does this mean I won't have to pay my late fee from 1998? Orrex Feb 2012 #37
You will have until Wed. OverDone Feb 2012 #39
I consider myself pretty tech savvy and am definitely the kind of person fujiyama Feb 2012 #63
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