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Generic Other

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66. I have been cutting energy use my whole life
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
Aug 2013

Close the plant. I have been in it. The concrete walls have waterstains running down them like a damn cheap motel flop. The geiger counter clicked the whole time I toured that so-called "modern" facility. They put yellow police tape across the floor to mark where it was not safe to cross. Are you kidding me?

I witnessed for myself what the inside of that facility looked like. I have no problem with phasing out all the plants NOW. I do not think I am the only one who feels this way. Not in our state. Or in the rest of the country.

Your Snoqualimie Falls is a great example of local areas taking advantage of the sustainables that exist. Your electric plant must have generated a huge supply in a few days last winter. I recall seeing some shots of the falls that made it look like it had doubled in size and strength. What a beautiful place and good for your community that you can generate power without destroying either your health or harming the environment.

Imagine what the PNW could do with some underwater generators at Deception Pass, the Narrows, the Straits using tidal energy. The state considered a Dutch company doing just such a thing when they built the second Narrow's Bridge. They really should have done it IMO. All of the South Sound goes in and out of the Narrows twice a day. That's a lot of free energy just like your falls. Just have to think outside the old reactor silo sometimes. And we could be selling surplus power rather than still paying for crap we ultimately decided we could do without.

The situation seem s all but hopeless Generic Other Aug 2013 #1
Ah, so you're an apologist for coal/gas/fracking. wtmusic Aug 2013 #2
Renewables have had nowhere near the financial support / subsidies that coal/gas/fracking have... Flaxbee Aug 2013 #3
That excuse has been around for forty years wtmusic Aug 2013 #4
You are correct with current technologies about renewables ... however MindMover Aug 2013 #13
Right now, can they do the job? NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #14
Yes current renewable technology CAN do the job. kristopher Aug 2013 #21
OK. Just what are you declaring independence from? wtmusic Aug 2013 #25
From being sucked dry by the leeches and vampires known as ... MindMover Aug 2013 #47
You do understand the difference between energy companies wtmusic Aug 2013 #48
Yes, and you will now state that utilities have nothing to do with MindMover Aug 2013 #49
Utilties are permitted to charge 10% more than their costs. wtmusic Aug 2013 #50
Expanding the rate base drives unneeded generation and wasteful spending on facilities kristopher Aug 2013 #52
Been there done that and very proud to say it ... in Northern California MindMover Aug 2013 #53
For how long, 6 hours? wtmusic Aug 2013 #54
Wow, you really are a nonbeliever.... MindMover Aug 2013 #55
Let's put it this way wtmusic Aug 2013 #56
Coming to a town and city near you .... Soon MindMover Aug 2013 #57
That's the Church of Renewables mantra: "coming soon". wtmusic Aug 2013 #58
Not really that big a deal since it is currently known technology applied MindMover Aug 2013 #59
There is not even close to enough retrievable energy in sun/wind to meet 21st century needs. wtmusic Aug 2013 #61
Finally talking some sense about climate change....but then you digress MindMover Aug 2013 #65
Don't you recognize the strategy of accusing others of your own weakness when you see it? kristopher Aug 2013 #51
One minor point. Stonepounder Aug 2013 #16
The leftovers of coal kill about 15,000 Americans every year wtmusic Aug 2013 #24
So, all the stuff that is flowing into the ocean from Fukishima is just a Coke can's worth? n/t Stonepounder Aug 2013 #27
Hype that keeps the public buying newspapers. wtmusic Aug 2013 #29
Much less in fact. FBaggins Aug 2013 #33
In your zeal to promote nuclear you simply refuse to be bound by the truth kristopher Aug 2013 #19
My Norwegian neighbor carla Aug 2013 #5
I hope he doesn't have anything in that fridge/freezer that can spoil wtmusic Aug 2013 #6
You may have noticed that your landline phone doesn't go out when we lose power. That's because jtuck004 Aug 2013 #17
A refrigerator uses 120x the energy of a landline phone wtmusic Aug 2013 #18
You can define parameters so they suit your outcome, which doesn't add anything but more weasel jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
"Greedy and clasping hands"? That's a laugh. wtmusic Aug 2013 #28
Enron. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #30
Not only was Enron not a utility wtmusic Aug 2013 #36
You want to have it both ways. Not hardly worth talking to at this point. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #38
I have no earthly idea what you want wtmusic Aug 2013 #39
If you're really concerned about that you can get a tank of LP, and a dual fuel fridge AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #34
Solar in Norway? Helen Borg Aug 2013 #44
You're right. kristopher Aug 2013 #20
Not on nuke power Generic Other Aug 2013 #7
Wind/solar = renewables, and Hanford didn't have anything to do with power generation, did it? wtmusic Aug 2013 #9
Hanford does have one commercial reactor these days Generic Other Aug 2013 #10
So they do, I didn't know that. wtmusic Aug 2013 #11
My city burns garbage in an incinerator Generic Other Aug 2013 #15
The problem is not a shortage of clean energy at all wtmusic Aug 2013 #22
But you are never going to convince most of us that this is true Generic Other Aug 2013 #31
I'm fortunate in that I've actually been able to change quite a few minds wtmusic Aug 2013 #37
There are no logical arguments for using nuclear technology Generic Other Aug 2013 #60
Then you are for coal/gas/fracking. You support climate change. wtmusic Aug 2013 #63
That's ridiculous Generic Other Aug 2013 #64
Burning garbage creates the most deadly waste of all NickB79 Aug 2013 #43
The industry does say they burn clean and gov. regs are strict Generic Other Aug 2013 #62
Columbia Generating Station cranks out 10% of the state's power. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #35
I have been cutting energy use my whole life Generic Other Aug 2013 #66
Tidal power is loathsome. hunter Aug 2013 #68
I read that there are only 20 viable sites in the world for tidal? Generic Other Aug 2013 #69
I have many stories about the old days of the anti-nuclear movement... hunter Aug 2013 #71
Global energy consumption: Nuclear 2.7%; Renewables 16.7% kristopher Aug 2013 #23
Encouraging news Generic Other Aug 2013 #32
and this surprises them why? hollysmom Aug 2013 #8
I don't get why they would be surprised sakabatou Aug 2013 #12
It doesn't surprise them Generic Other Aug 2013 #67
This may not fly, but here goes. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #40
Yeah but we won in 2013. wtmusic Aug 2013 #41
Only took ya 300 years! ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #42
We obviously need to go to war over this. L0oniX Aug 2013 #45
again? ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #46
Notice they never mention what else they find. Octafish Aug 2013 #70
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