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csziggy

(34,136 posts)
49. Oh, they did allow two female religious persons to speak - later
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 11:12 PM
Feb 2012

But only once the optics of the all male panel got a lot of press.

The Democrats handled this badly and still are. The Democrats are allowing this to be framed by the Republicans as a religious freedom issue when it is a women's health care issue.

But if the Republicans want to hash it out as a religious issue, then I think the point that not everyone believes this narrow, medieval view of contraceptive use. That a religious organization should not be able to dictate to employees working in a secular organization peripherally associated with that religion what they can get for healthcare. That not all "contraceptives" are used for the purpose of contraception - many times they are necessary for other reasons - such as the case the young law student was prepared to testify about.

Of course, since the Republicans control the House, those arguments will not be made there, but the Democrats are not doing a good job of making them to the media. Or the media is not allowing them to make it - they'd rather do all day coverage of the death of a diva instead of an issue that could cause the deaths of thousands of women.

I really wish the Democrats would stop letting the Republicans blindside them this way. We all know what the game is but the Democrats are like Charlie Brown with the football.

We should have had liberal female clergy ready to testify to how this was not against THEIR religion and how it would affect women's healthcare if the views of a very few are allowed to dictate the lives of all. I'm sure the Democratic members of the House could have found some women qualified and eager to make that case. But the men who are supposed to be on our side sat there mute while the women could only walk out and boycott the hearings.

Pathetic!

"..and deny women the ability to share their perspective.” duhneece Feb 2012 #1
not WTF. It's GOP. easy to confuse the two... n/t Gore1FL Feb 2012 #3
hah! that would get a heart eyewall Feb 2012 #12
Jump the shark? The GOP did that years ago. What now? Faygo Kid Feb 2012 #2
crucial Alternet article on what this jump back on birth control means yurbud Feb 2012 #54
And Republican women Senators didn't protest because??... truth2power Feb 2012 #4
Self loathing women? Some kind of Stockholm Syndrome?? left coaster Feb 2012 #6
because they, like most other republicans, prefer hating and losing to not hating and winning saras Feb 2012 #9
love the Political Positions Spectrum!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #34
Love it! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #39
Nice. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #42
Serena Joy Syndrome? lolly Feb 2012 #18
It's amazing what money will buy ... (n/t) Nihil Feb 2012 #47
why aren't Democratic MALE senators and others decrying this? spooky3 Feb 2012 #5
THANK YOU! EXACTLY. But, are you really that surprised? nt left coaster Feb 2012 #7
They're probably just standing back so as not to get blood spattered lunatica Feb 2012 #8
I want them to get angry, too! spooky3 Feb 2012 #11
So do I but their silence doesn't mean indifference lunatica Feb 2012 #25
The point is not that women are weak. spooky3 Feb 2012 #32
I think you understand my point lunatica Feb 2012 #36
it's indifference TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #58
"No one with any brains wants to get in the way of angry women." CrispyQ Feb 2012 #45
Maybe you should take your tirade to the men lunatica Feb 2012 #50
I am taking it to the men. To democratic men. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #53
+ a gazillion!! nt chervilant Feb 2012 #16
Precisely! This is not just a "women's issue!" Chorophyll Feb 2012 #22
I'm sure they're supportive in the Halls of Congress and The Senate lunatica Feb 2012 #28
Really old feminists are Alcibiades Feb 2012 #29
Oh, you 'gals.' Don't drop your aspirin. onehandle Feb 2012 #10
yes, Andrea's face was priceless on hearing Sanitorium's handler wordpix Feb 2012 #15
is she ever not speechless? tooeyeten Feb 2012 #44
Where are the Democratic men..... zentrum Feb 2012 #13
Where are the Democratic men..... zentrum Feb 2012 #14
"Reid needs to hold a hearing on women's health." Beartracks Feb 2012 #21
I guarantee Democratic men are quite involved lunatica Feb 2012 #26
I find that to be a very sexist way of spooky3 Feb 2012 #33
Now I'm sexist?! lunatica Feb 2012 #37
Nobody is trying to "rescue" you... dogknob Feb 2012 #46
Maybe you should take your fight where it will actually be against the enemy lunatica Feb 2012 #51
Somebody, chervilant Feb 2012 #17
Well millions of women are telling him what ISN'T a real apology and his ISN'T. lunatica Feb 2012 #27
Well, chervilant Feb 2012 #31
Why are they acting like there are no liberal women clergy? intheflow Feb 2012 #19
Why are they acting as though the 'clergy' should make women's choices? csziggy Feb 2012 #41
I'm not disagreeing with you. intheflow Feb 2012 #48
Oh, they did allow two female religious persons to speak - later csziggy Feb 2012 #49
my stepdaughter is studying to be a Reform rabbi. The Orthodox and Conservative branches CTyankee Feb 2012 #55
there are many conservative female Rabbis waddirum Feb 2012 #56
Yes, you are right. I am not Jewish but was under the impression that this was still the case. CTyankee Feb 2012 #57
"when pictures only came in black and white.”? Bah! Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #20
Most of this argument isn't in the right place. Resolution requires that the 24601 Feb 2012 #23
"Mommy, what's that?" Occulus Feb 2012 #35
It was a serious post. Devolving into sexual humor doesn't do the issue justice. 24601 Feb 2012 #38
If the men gave birth and fed babies Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #24
This is what women's rights is all about Alcibiades Feb 2012 #30
K&R unionworks Feb 2012 #40
Maybe the GOP needs is Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #43
K&R Blue in Red State Feb 2012 #52
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