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mntleo2

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36. Most of these women do not have washers so ....
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:29 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:48 AM - Edit history (2)

...boiling them does little good when you have no place to wash them.

Believe me as a low income mom with 3 kids, two of them babies in diapers while working full time and no washing machine, it was imperative to have paper diapers. As an older mom (the two babies were born less than 1 year apart) I knew about using cloth diapers. The expense of going to a laundromat was impossible ~ much less the time needed to do that as there was little.

Adding to trying to wash diapers, doing the 6 or 7 loads a week of regular laundry was enough!!! Often I did that laundry in the bathtub and hung the clothes around the apartment to dry. I had learned from my mother how to do clothes in the "ricky-tic" washer, a wringer washer. I did not have a wringer washer, but the method there is quite green. You begin with the hottest water and wash the whites first. You rinse each load in another tub of clear water. Then you re-use the soapy water for the lighter colors on down to the dark colors, as the last load, using the same water and maybe adding a little soap. She taught me how to shave off soap from bars of Fells Naptha soap, which was cheap. It did not make the prettiest apartment but hey, it was an affordable way. Plus I could "do the laundry" at home while dong other imperative chores and minding the kids, helping with homework, etc.

I used to feel guilty about using paper diapers thinking they were "filling up our landfills" until I began to be an activist for low income people. One of the people I met was a policy wonk working for the city whose main job was about waste management. When he told me that over 90% of landfill waste was from business waste, I no longer felt bad ~ but affording those diapers was a constant worry.

To me the biggest luxury would have been to have a washer in the home, but many apartments expect people to do their laundry at their expensive laundry room where the equipment is not kept up. They are expensive when things like the the dryer does not work and you pay over and over in order to get the clothes dry. If I REALLY wanted to "live it up" I might use the washer and then take the wet clothes home to hang up.

I am not saying you are doing this but, often upper income people take for granted things that poor people simply do not have access to and need. They will say stuff like "why don't they just (insert whatever solution they think they have) ..." Well that "just" usually costs money that the poor does not have or it costs precious time that could be used for other needs. I learned to change my own oil, fix simple things in the home, and do what needed to be done to attend to my children's needs with little or nothing. To "just" do something like use cloth diapers and boil them, usually costs more time and money than paper diapers, see?

I hope this helps people who are trying to understand people in poverty because it is very appreciated that at least you try when most people demonize the poor and think they are "lazy" and that is why they are poor. They do not understand that poverty is an institution embedded within our society that they themselves depend upon in order to keep their own class positions. While it is perfectly legal to use class to discriminate against someone who is poor, the reasons this Institutions exists is because it depends on illegal discriminations. The Institute of Poverty is based on the classism encompassing racism, sexism, ageism, and disabilities.

The Institution of Poverty generates $Billions in the Poverty Industry for the upper classes, for things like the cheap labor. Mega "non-profits" exploit the poor by using them for tax deductions and cheap labor (sometimes even forced unpaid labor ~ that for-profit corporations also enjoy while getting government funds for "being so nice" as to "let" someone work for free). The truth is with a mega-non profit gets on the average of $57,000-64,000 per client yet only uses about $2000 of that in direct services, so mega-non-profits are mostly there for the upper classes. The truth is that mega-nons are just employment and tax breaks for the upper classes that does little for the poor,. And then there is middle class employment in order to "fix" poor people rather than address the entire institution. This denial creates government and university jobs that are generated for the upper classes to "study" and "manage" the poor. There is also the mental health and medical fields who employ the upper and middle classes (while exploiting McJob workers to do the hardest work), in order to "fix" the person but does little to address the whole Poverty Institution and the industries poverty generate.

Finally, we do not have any respect for unpaid work. Do you know, according to the AARP, that (mostly) women lose on the average of over $400,000 in a work lifetime performing unpaid labor? It would cost $Trillions if we had to create more institutions to replace that work so that women could go out making rich men richer saying, "Do you want fries with that?" Also according to the AARP studies they have done, this unpaid work SAVES our communities over $450BILLION a year! Yet codified into law that work is "doing nothing" according to the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunities Act only paid work is "doing something". This unpaid labor is not just about the raising of our children to care for our future, it is also about the unpaid care of our elders and our spouse. Each time, this need for 24/7 care causes (mostly) women to make the agonizing choice between working for a wage or caring for these loved ones. http://www.aarp.org/home-family/caregiving/info-10-2012/home-alone-family-caregivers-providing-complex-chronic-care.html

Indeed the Social Security calls all this unpaid labor "zero years" so it will not count any of that labor for any support that is saving $Billions. Most care givers have to live off their loved one's income, they get nothing. After their loved one dies or grows up after using up all the resources, then they are tossed to the street since they "did not work". Poor women do ALL this work, paid and unpaid while making 70 cents for every man's dollar on wages that won't even pay the rent.

I know what I am speaking about is scary. I also do not think this is conscience intent so much as taken for granted and hidden from view by a kind of benign denial. But often the use of "why don't they just..." is really trying to fix individual people who are caught in that poisonous spider's web of the Poverty institution. So by viewing people in poverty who individually need to be "fixed" because they "choose" to live in those conditions, is a way to keep the Institution of Poverty in place and all those illegal "isms" hidden. It blankets all of them with the use of "poverty" in order to pretend the illegal reasons are *not* the reason. This way the huge industry of poverty will never be recognized, from which the upper classes can continue to profit and benefit. See?

Hope this helps and I really appreciate your trying to understand what poor people need!

Love, Cat in Seattle

Board member of POWER: http://www.mamapower.org

Gosh Sherlock ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #1
Diapers could be the next Prozac bananas Jul 2013 #4
... idwiyo Jul 2013 #10
Very excellent! reusrename Jul 2013 #96
thread win in first post, congrats ! :) nt steve2470 Jul 2013 #42
Do it your self online rocket scientist university needed here. L0oniX Jul 2013 #55
NO kidding. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #69
well what a discovery azurnoir Jul 2013 #2
There is also a good possibility that new parents are depressed because reality has nothing to do idwiyo Jul 2013 #3
before disposable nappies became a norm dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #5
Yep, there once was a world without disposable diapers theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #7
Same here. idwiyo Jul 2013 #8
Thank you! Good lord, ANY excuse. Now its a lack of diapers? 7962 Jul 2013 #9
Anything to ignore the actual problems like poverty, lack of education and opportunities, severely idwiyo Jul 2013 #16
except this isn't about a trip to Spain Enrique Jul 2013 #24
Yes, it is about people losing their jobs with not another one in sight. peace13 Jul 2013 #31
Especially those who receive yet mock those with need. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #76
You are being too harsh. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #20
thank you for restoring some decency and humanity to this thread. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #29
Thank you. Jesus. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #72
The most expensive commodity is time... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #75
I know you think those of us who grew up without disposable diapers are mean and heartless Hestia Jul 2013 #82
You have completely missed the point. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #86
My mom used cloth diapers on us NickB79 Jul 2013 #92
FINALLY. My gods, some people have no imagination.... Hekate Aug 2013 #100
Geez, man, I really hope you are being sarcastic Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #50
I want to expand on my previous post a bit theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #11
I perfectly understood what you ment from the begining. idwiyo Jul 2013 #13
Thanks. theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #14
Did she have a clothes line and a washer? peace13 Jul 2013 #25
How many of the New Haven mothers live in a car? theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #34
I favor washable diapers for environmental reasons, however... antigone382 Jul 2013 #35
They definitely cost more to start. jeff47 Jul 2013 #38
Right, and it isn't even just the mother who has to know how to handle them... antigone382 Jul 2013 #40
Well, which gets back to the point I was trying to make theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #41
Well sure, but I don't think the social scientists were trying to blame diapers alone. antigone382 Jul 2013 #44
Gotcha theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #45
As I stated, we shouldn't be judging either mother. peace13 Jul 2013 #46
Thank you for that. Ednahilda Jul 2013 #53
Yes, cloth Diapers are much Cheaper dem in texas Jul 2013 #63
That is kind of the point I was trying to make 7962 Jul 2013 #73
It's a placeholder for "lack of necessities". jeff47 Jul 2013 #39
And if one doesn't own a washer & dryer???? Autumn Colors Jul 2013 #54
Most laundromats don't allow diaper washing, and that's probably a good thing because so many people kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #59
I used cloth myself Scairp Jul 2013 #67
Bless her heart, your mom was a saint. maddiemom Jul 2013 #88
Day care requires disposable diapers Warpy Jul 2013 #21
and when you grew up, Enrique Jul 2013 #23
Not always theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #32
Oh, heck. I bucked the trend with my own two kids SheilaT Jul 2013 #27
All my friends who had the luxury of staying home until the kids were out of diapers Warpy Jul 2013 #28
I have never met another mom, including SheilaT Jul 2013 #33
This was in the 80s and they all used diaper services Warpy Jul 2013 #37
My children were born in 1982 and 1987. SheilaT Jul 2013 #64
My Sister Was RobinA Jul 2013 #91
Yes, I used to wash the cotton diapers in bleach in the tub by hand angstlessk Jul 2013 #70
They can tell you why, but they will not fix the cause liberal N proud Jul 2013 #6
I am pretty sure it has to do with MORE than a lack of diapers.... ejpoeta Jul 2013 #12
Thank you for explaining the process. Some "blame the victims" types just don't get it. canoeist52 Jul 2013 #18
I came to this thread looking for David Vitter jokes Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #15
Much-needed levity!! 7962 Jul 2013 #74
"We're not assuming causality." eShirl Jul 2013 #17
Money can bring you happiness. onehandle Jul 2013 #19
In the old days we used cloth diapers and boiled them Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #22
Yup... peace13 Jul 2013 #26
It's done Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #94
Most of these women do not have washers so .... mntleo2 Jul 2013 #36
Excellent post. Thank you. Everyone should read this. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #77
My mother used to wash them in a bowl in the sink Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #93
Excellent post. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #95
I did that and used a diaper service, too ---good business to bring back wordpix Jul 2013 #43
Here's what happens at the other end of the economic spectrum kristopher Jul 2013 #30
Maybe Vitter can donate some of his. NV Whino Jul 2013 #47
ok, and? sosuaslayde Jul 2013 #48
Nice. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #83
That member has been banned. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #99
And what about the Rethugs who fight access to that very family planning IrishAyes Jul 2013 #84
no shit nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #49
Had to check to make sure this wasn't the Onion. Next study will be saying that depression is raccoon Jul 2013 #51
Given that all disposable nappies that have ever existed still exist dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #52
No, that is just not true about my sister's old disposable nappies. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #90
I was expecting this article to be about the kids. bunnies Jul 2013 #56
I thought the same thing when I first read the headline. nt bananas Jul 2013 #79
Smart move, not assuming causality. crim son Jul 2013 #57
No, REALLY???? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #58
So they spent the money on a "no shit, Sherlock" study rather than on providing diapers hughee99 Jul 2013 #60
It is not just the lack of diapers. It is the lack of money for the necessities to take care of your jwirr Jul 2013 #61
on first look, this sounds a little comical Enrique Jul 2013 #62
Poverty is stressful. Beacool Jul 2013 #65
OTOH, this guy looks happy Doctor_J Jul 2013 #66
and i walked 10 miles to school uphill each way and it was always thru waiste deep snow with no boot dembotoz Jul 2013 #68
Being stuck in a cultural bias creates depression nolabels Jul 2013 #71
Dear God. This thread gave me flashbacks to my daughter's infancy. Bette Noir Jul 2013 #78
That's a good challenge. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #85
A "link" may or may not be causal. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #80
Study ??? SamKnause Jul 2013 #81
If I had a dime IrishAyes Jul 2013 #87
This whole study stinks. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #89
What an odd title. Quantess Jul 2013 #97
yeah... Usually if there's a lack of money for diapers, then there's probably a lack of money for penultimate Jul 2013 #98
Pathetic ! virgogal Aug 2013 #101
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