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happyslug

(14,779 posts)
23. Look at who lost, it was the people as a whole.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jun 2013

The ruling was a bad ruling, not because it involved Gay Rights, that is a minor problem with this ruling. The larger problem, the one where the PEOPLE lost, is that the Court said a Governor can rule that any law passed by a voter's initiative (such as any of the California Propositions), that the Governor had opposed, was unconstitutional and no one else has STANDING to challenge that ruling.

That is a very disturbing ruling. It is a ruling that any state that has the right of initiatives by the people, can ignore what the people passed by the Voter's Initiatives.

The Gay Rights Part of the Decision is at a minor problem, the rationale used by the US Supreme Court to strike down Proposition 8 undermines the whole concept of initiatives. Initiatives were adopted around 1900 in many states in an attempt to work around special interest (mostly pro-business special interests) who used their power to give Campaign Contributions to politicians to prevent the passage of laws the people wanted.

That this decision undermined the whole concept voter's initiative is why you have the strange combination of Kennedy, Thomas, Alito and Sonia Sotomayor in dissent. All were willing to uphold proposition 8, on the grounds that Marriage is a item of law reserved up to each state and nothing in the Federal Constitutions either supports Gay marriage or oppose Gay Marriage, thus it is up to each state's law and in California that included Proposition 8. Now, we have a situation that a Governor can ignore a law he dislikes and unless you can show a direct harm, you have no standing to challenge the law.

As mentioned above, this will affect environmental law big time. In most cases of pollution, the people suing can not show direct harm and under this ruling if a State Government says someone's pollution is not pollution NO ONE ELSE HAS STANDING TO STOP THE POLLUTION. It is a bad decision for the rationale used in making the decision is just BAD and will harm a lot of people.

OK blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #1
You can get married NOW- TODAY!!! FreeState Jun 2013 #2
That's great news! Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #3
My understanding of the USSC ruling... Keefer Jun 2013 #4
Maybe wrong. This isn't DOMA; this is Prop 8 case. longship Jun 2013 #7
No it has to be marriage per the ruling n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #8
I hate to break it to you, but along with overturning most of DOMA, the USSC also kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #10
"You lose. We win. Deal with it." Keefer Jun 2013 #13
Look at who lost, it was the people as a whole. happyslug Jun 2013 #23
"The gay rights part of the decision is a minor problem." nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #25
A search of your previous posts here on DU revealed some of your "interesting" opinions. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #12
Oh my, Keefer Jun 2013 #14
Typical RW non-apology apology, lol. You should apologize for kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #15
How was I Keefer Jun 2013 #17
Great and expected news, and a bonus Faygo Kid Jun 2013 #5
LA times has article up now SoCalNative Jun 2013 #6
Yahoo! Rooting for the Dems Jun 2013 #9
Additional link Tx4obama Jun 2013 #11
K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #16
BURN!!! Iggo Jun 2013 #18
Enjoy..... Berlin Expat Jun 2013 #19
Uh-zacklee! Iggo Jun 2013 #20
LOLOL! Berlin Expat Jun 2013 #22
+ 1,000 David Zephyr Jun 2013 #21
Oh, I know! Hee, hee, hee! and you KNOW they know closeupready Jun 2013 #27
Everytime I see one of those "Yes on 8" bumper stickers Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #31
the plaimtiffs in the case RudynJack Jun 2013 #24
Sex, sex, sex kitt6 Jun 2013 #26
Actually, they are technically not the same: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #28
Link to SFgate Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #29
FINALLY Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #30
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