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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
50. Your post does not prove what you claim it does.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jun 2013

The final outcome depends upon how the govt. spends the income - as in relocating, educating, providing medical care for impoverished indigenous peoples.

"In an interview, Ecuador's secretary of hydrocarbons, Andrés Donoso Fabara, accused indigenous leaders of misrepresenting their communities to achieve political goals. "These guys with a political agenda, they are not thinking about development or about fighting against poverty," he said.

Fabara said the government had decided not to open certain blocks of land to bidding because it lacked support from local communities. "We are entitled by law, if we wanted, to go in by force and do some activities even if they are against them," he said. "But that's not our policy."


Now let us consider how the US Big Oil companies raped Ecuador's environment and the indigenous populations for decades! Texaco was the primary international oil company exporting oil from the coast of Ecuador. This company managed the oil operation from 1971 to 1992, when it was nationalized by Ecuador.

Texaco's contract for oil production in Ecuador expired in 1992. PetroEcuador then took over 100% of the oil production management. 1.5 billion barrels of crude oil was reported to have been extracted while under the management of Texaco. There were also reports of 19 billion gallons of waste that had been dumped into the natural environment with the absence of any monitoring or overseeing to prevent damages to the surrounding areas. In addition there was a report of 16.8 million gallons of crude that was dispersed into the environment in relation to spillage out of the Trans-Ecuadorian pipeline.


In the early 1990s a lawsuit led by Ecuadorian government officials of 1.5 billion dollars was presented against the Texaco company with claims that there was an immense pollution epidemic that led to the demise of many natural environments as well as an increase in human illnesses.

A cancer study was conducted in 1994 by the Centre for Economic and Social Rights which found a rise in health concerns in the Ecuadorian region. In 2002, it was found that there was a notably higher incidence of cancer in women and men in the countries where there was oil production present for over 20 years. Women also reported increased rates in a copious amount of psychical aliments such as skin mycosis, sore throat, headaches and gastritis. The primary argument against these findings were that they were weak and biased. Texaco decided on jurisdiction in Ecuador.

The case put against Texaco remained in the works for some time. In 2001, Texaco was taken over by Chevron, another oil company, which assumed the liabilities left by the previous production. On February, 2011 Chevron was found guilty after inheriting the case left by Texaco and was said to be required to pay 9 billion dollars in damages. This is known to be one the largest environmental lawsuits award recorded


http://www.counterspill.org/article/ecuador-vs-chevron-texaco-brief-history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Ecuador
Now, this *will* make heads explode. malthaussen Jun 2013 #1
it's unamerican Enrique Jun 2013 #2
It wasn't going to be renewed anyway. It's a gesture. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #5
Oh I so have a "gesture" for Ecuador. nt SoapBox Jun 2013 #16
Is that why Sandy Levin threatened to block it if Ecuador gave Snowden asylum? magical thyme Jun 2013 #21
it wasn't going to be renewed so Ecuador did a pre-emptive pull out Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #24
President Correa has already refused US military bases in Ecuador unless Ecuador can have bases byeya Jun 2013 #25
the lease for the military base in Manta expired in 2009 Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #32
and Sen. Sandy Levin's threat to block it pre-empted Ecuadors pre-emptive pullout. magical thyme Jun 2013 #26
nearly half of Ecuador's trade depends on the US Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #22
Actually, Ecuador does NOT have to depend on US. Divernan Jun 2013 #33
then why was Ecuador promoting continuation of the agreement? Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #39
I think Ecuadoreans are better off with better paying jobs than selling flowers. Divernan Jun 2013 #52
its big business We'll wait and see all those high paying jobs Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #56
They're going to need it railsback Jun 2013 #70
Ecuador: Media is Distorting Our Words on Snowden. We're Pulling Out of US Trade Agreement Catherina Jun 2013 #3
He looks a lot like that other guy. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #29
It was unlikely to be renewed anyways, but a pretty accurate geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4
Given Correa's brother's interest, and according to the indigenous population, msanthrope Jun 2013 #6
To me, 8 million acres of rainforest with hundreds of thousands of endangered geek tragedy Jun 2013 #9
The Top Dems who came up with this stupidity must be feeling like real doofuses now n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #7
I doubt it. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #27
yes, because boosting Ecuador's economy was #1 on the foreign policy agenda Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #35
HAH! So much for the US holding it over Equador's head about Snowden! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #8
This has made the veiled threats by the US even lamer. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #10
Ecuador also offered a multimillion donation for human rights training in the United States Catherina Jun 2013 #11
Maybe Correa should practice what he preaches. Beacool Jun 2013 #17
It seems that Correa never misses an opportunity to insult the US Zorro Jun 2013 #12
No, this is part of Ecuador's move to being a de facto province of China. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18
This seems to me to be s singularly ill-informed statement. byeya Jun 2013 #28
Ecuador owes China $9 billion, and China now owns 20% of Ecuador's land mass--pristine geek tragedy Jun 2013 #30
Owns 20% of Ecuador's land mass ? Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #80
I understand precisely what it means when one grants oil companies geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81
And yet Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #83
WTG Correa! n/t dotymed Jun 2013 #13
Fuck 'um... SoapBox Jun 2013 #14
Sweetie, you can't "fire" (or fuck) them, because they already quit! Divernan Jun 2013 #23
Ask the indigenous peoples in the rain forest that Ecuador just sold to China geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31
Wow! What powerful links you provide! NOT. Divernan Jun 2013 #36
link geek tragedy Jun 2013 #40
Your post does not prove what you claim it does. Divernan Jun 2013 #50
"relocating" indigenous peoples amounts to cultural genocide. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #53
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #55
I think Custer said the same thing about Native Americans. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #57
Didn't even look at pictures, did you? Divernan Jun 2013 #58
I am well aware of how people live in the rain forest. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #60
A realistic appraisal is not mocking. Divernan Jun 2013 #64
Choice. What a fascinating concept. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #66
Thanks, this is critical information flamingdem Jun 2013 #75
Ho-ley SHIT! Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #15
"US privacy violations/torture denigrating to humanity." Divernan Jun 2013 #19
Denying themselves hundreds of millions in trade benefits will really show the US who is boss Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #20
^ Says a citizen of the Empire, perturbed the coin of the realm nolonger buys loyalty as it once did Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #34
things won't be saying made in Ecuador anymore Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #37
Ah yes, the U.S. as abusive spouse- but one with a steady income to share if the abuse is allowed. Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #44
in this case its Ecuador abusing itself Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #45
Hardly. You care not a lick about Ecuador's well-being, only their subservience. Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #46
it only hurts Ecuador, it doesn't do anything to the US Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #47
Sure, but many a battered spouse dumps their batterer geek tragedy Jun 2013 #62
How true! Can hardly buy ANYTHING in US that doesn't say "Made in China". Divernan Jun 2013 #43
Yeah, the US doesn't care about it's "Back Yard" going to Chinese influence Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #38
Welcome to DU! I appreciate your excellent links! Divernan Jun 2013 #41
Thanks for the welcome Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #72
then Ecuador should start promoting their bananas and flowers in China Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #42
The US saw Ecuador as a source of cheap flowers Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #48
The Chinese don't give a fig about Ecuador's development. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #49
Are they interested in a global empire of military bases Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #74
No, a less obvious sphere of influence, plus access to resources. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #82
True, the Chinese culture is very different Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #87
Again, excellent links and reasoning. Divernan Jun 2013 #51
Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Paraguay have right governments too. The US doesn't need Ecuador Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #54
Ah yes, I forgot about the rigthwing "Parliamentary Putsch" of Fernando Lugo in Paraguay Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #73
Sometimes I really love it when another country flips off the US. We need that Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #59
Ecuador flipped themselves off, Do you love that? Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #61
Standing up to a bully does come with a price sometimes. Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #65
standing up to a bully by punching yourself in the face. Got it. Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #67
Good. Tell the Us Government to take thie economic extortion and stuff it Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #69
It's actually hilarious. Like an obnoxious middle-schooler flipping off the principal, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #86
Ecuadorian business leaders call withdrawal from pact "irresponsible" (Spanish) Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #63
Maybe, but it's SO worth it if they get Assange and Snowden. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #85
It will be interesting to see what if any impact this has economically on cstanleytech Jun 2013 #68
So, where the hell is this big announcement on Snowden Ecuador was supposed to make railsback Jun 2013 #71
It never happened and this article was circulating saying there are no plans to halt commerce ties flamingdem Jun 2013 #76
Yep, saw that not too long ago railsback Jun 2013 #77
aha, meanwhile I'm reading about how China already owns Ecuador and is going in to the rainforest flamingdem Jun 2013 #78
Yeah, China is going in to do some MAJOR damage railsback Jun 2013 #79
Oh NOES!!!!! We are losing ECUADOR as a trade partner? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #84
And yet, back in the 1950's, Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #88
Someone should tell the rose sellers currently running a million dollar ad buy for a trade agreement alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #89
Video of President Correa about this Catherina Jun 2013 #90
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