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White House Defends NSA Collection Of Phone Records [View all] dipsydoodle Jun 2013 OP

Remember TIA? This is the tip of the iceberg. Expect same with credit card and checking GoneFishin Jun 2013 #1

A lot of white house pronouncements smell like Poindexter's "Truth Maintenance" too. PSPS Jun 2013 #15

"a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats." Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #2

Nailed it. PDittie Jun 2013 #7

+1.nt clarice Jun 2013 #52

They're working on putting cameras and microphones into your TV sets. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #86

+1000 forestpath Jun 2013 #94

I(s there ANYTHING from the Bush era that the current administration won't defend? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #3

Give me a minute........ NO rhett o rick Jun 2013 #6

Torture. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #17

Gitmo hobbit709 Jun 2013 #19

Obama hasn't sent a single person there. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #22

And the ones that are kept there are treated according to International Law? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #25

No. But it will take alot of money to close it, and congress controls the spending. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #37

That still doesn't excuse the treatment of the prisoners hobbit709 Jun 2013 #43

And it costs nothing to keep it open? daleanime Jun 2013 #45

It costs ALOT to keep it open. But the Republican controlled congress absolutely adores Gitmo. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #49

Is there anything Obama does that you DON'T defend? dbackjon Jun 2013 #84

Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else. Nice try. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #99

Gosh, who new turning a key and opening a lock costs so much? Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #75

Besides the expense, which I believe is well worth it, GOP congress LOVES Gitmo. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #106

Ah yes, the "Obama is helpless" argument. I wish George Bush would have been that helpless. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #97

Where did I say he's helpless? I said congress controls spending. Is that true or false? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #100

And why did you bother to tell us something that is obvious? Were you making an implication? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #103

Obviously it wasn't so obvious. You'd be surprised at how many people think he has a magic wand. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #104

I believe the President of the USofA has a whole lot more power rhett o rick Jun 2013 #108

According to what section of the Constitution? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #110

Good grief. You are sticking by the argument that the President has no power. Cant argue with rhett o rick Jun 2013 #112

No need to argue. It's called a conversation, but if you're done then I guess I'm done. Oh well. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #114

Yes I think we've come to an impasse. And arguing isnt bad. It's what Democrats do. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #115

So my question remains unanswered I guess. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #117

Yeah. Using questions to make a point isnt the best method. Try stating your argument as a rhett o rick Jun 2013 #118

Nah, he just assassinates them with drones now Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #74

True. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #101

So that gets him off the hook for any torture that is happening now? Wow, to what lengths will rhett o rick Jun 2013 #95

What am I rationalizing? All I did was make a factual statement. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #102

Plezzzzz. Your "factual statement" was wrought with implication. Plezz. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #105

I don't get what you're saying. Are you disagreeing with the statement I made? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #109

Hell no. But why did you make such a statement? Were you implying that Pres Obama was rhett o rick Jun 2013 #111

My statement was that he is powerless on closing Gitmo. You need money, congress has it. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #113

Warrantless wiretapping Texano78704 Jun 2013 #50

Changed the names, but business as usual. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #53

Eventually we'll have to start calling it the "Obama era" marshall Jun 2013 #73

That's Obama's idea of "moving forward." It's like Bush never left. forestpath Jun 2013 #96

TIA never died. It morphed into an operational NSA program, Thin Thread, and this is part of it. leveymg Jun 2013 #4

"a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats." I feel much better. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #5

Yeah. "If you haven't done anything wrong blah blah" and "My life is so boring who cares GoneFishin Jun 2013 #8

LOL. Yeah I expected that. "If they are only brutalizing the diry hippies, I dont care." rhett o rick Jun 2013 #93

Oh yes. And "but they don't actually record the calls themselves" [yeah right] and GoneFishin Jun 2013 #39

TPTB can know everything about me 'cause I'm so perfect RKP5637 Jun 2013 #56

There are plenty. ctsnowman Jun 2013 #59

What records? treestar Jun 2013 #9

There is an ongoing court case; remember, those affected are everyone muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #11

That's interesting treestar Jun 2013 #12

They won't pick up on the next one either RC Jun 2013 #24

Stopping us from what? treestar Jun 2013 #27

Read the Constitution and notice where they have torn holes in it. RC Jun 2013 #32

You've got to read the case law treestar Jun 2013 #33

I have a better idea. A much better idea. RC Jun 2013 #41

that's not likely treestar Jun 2013 #64

Most of we think of as modern day terrorists are made by someone killing their friends, family... RC Jun 2013 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #78

But Tamerlan did give them some reason to think he might do something muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #26

Then what were they to do about him? treestar Jun 2013 #31

I agree there probably wasn't much they could have done abbout the brothers muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #65

I think the balance is there to be made though treestar Jun 2013 #72

I'm with you, treestar. cheapdate Jun 2013 #66

Exactly treestar Jun 2013 #70

And when the next attack happens we will all be crying, "Why didn't our intel pick this up?" kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #10

This ^^^^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #13

”Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.” tblue Jun 2013 #83

It's a balance treestar Jun 2013 #87

Thats not the point joelfreak Jun 2013 #14

Um, if it's not done in secret then it would tip off would be terrorists, who try to stay one step JaneyVee Jun 2013 #18

If you think joelfreak Jun 2013 #20

I sort of agree, but they actually have caught over 200 suspected terrorists here in America JaneyVee Jun 2013 #21

'Suspected Terrorists' joelfreak Jun 2013 #30

True, but they were setup because of their suspicion possibly due to phone records. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #36

All or at least most of those were sting operations, where the 'guilty' had no real way of carrying RC Jun 2013 #34

Yeah, heard that before cause that's what Bush said! Pholus Jun 2013 #54

What do you mean by more open? Surely you arent advocating cstanleytech Jun 2013 #68

You and treestar called it! randome Jun 2013 #16

It didn't stop the Boston bombers, did it? OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #63

Of course not Phlem Jun 2013 #79

they didn't even need to do this to prevent the first attack.. frylock Jun 2013 #91

Maybe This Is Obama's Way Of Getting Rid Of This Once And For All....... global1 Jun 2013 #23

Of come on. Your reasoning is much too convoluted for me. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #40

Concern with motives is a fallacy. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #62

Frank Church warned us in 1976. Octafish Jun 2013 #28

And Fletcher Knebel warned us in 1965. malthaussen Jun 2013 #38

Frank Church of Idaho was a great man. We really need a few more like him totodeinhere Jun 2013 #42

^^^^^THIS^^^^^ Melinda Jun 2013 #82

Can't say I'm shocked based on this administration's terrible record on blackspade Jun 2013 #29

This is the data mining, right? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #35

Madly collecting our private information while prosecuting JEB Jun 2013 #44

NSA Upgrade WovenGems Jun 2013 #46

Terrorists SamKnause Jun 2013 #47

OK, who around here is actually naive enough to believe . . . Brigid Jun 2013 #48

When we give up All Freedom fredamae Jun 2013 #51

Geroge W. Obama thefool_wa Jun 2013 #55

This is unfortunate, but not illegal. What is even more unfortunate is much of the populous had no still_one Jun 2013 #57

But the NSA does claim this is illegal muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #67

Not sure about that, with fiisa and all the other bs they did with the patriot act, I do not think still_one Jun 2013 #69

The NSA is not used as evidence because BrainDrain Jun 2013 #58

That practice violates First Amendment as well as Fourth Amendment rights. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #60

Unsaid: AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #61

Millions? Every Verizon call made, every day? Orsino Jun 2013 #71

No surprise there, Obama always comes down on the wrong side of these issues bowens43 Jun 2013 #76

"a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats." Phlem Jun 2013 #77

I remember when being a Democrat also meant being a democrat Fearless Jun 2013 #81

White House Defends NSA Collection Of Phone Records blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #85

Thank goodness for British news sources marshall Jun 2013 #88

+1000 forestpath Jun 2013 #98

Amen! n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #121

U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls (NYT) struggle4progress Jun 2013 #89

U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls (NYT) struggle4progress Jun 2013 #90

Just exactly who and what is this man we elected in 2008 and reelected in 2012. Leontius Jun 2013 #92

Unaccountable trillions of dollars felix_numinous Jun 2013 #107

Any time a bill is introduced in Congress lots of thought should be put into the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #116

Too many scandals at once quadrature Jun 2013 #119

I can hear it now ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #120