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Deep13

(39,154 posts)
81. Obama caves again.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

Contraception is a matter for individuals, not their bosses. The mere fact that some of those bosses have religious ax to grind is all the more reason to protect individuals from overbearing employers.

If Obama loses, it will be because of spineless shit like this. Most American Catholics agree with the original decision. Only the sanctimonious weirdos in funny hats and their political allies oppose it. Compromising with that extremist crowd means contraception and freedom of religion (for employees) loses, but loses less fast than giving the RC Church what it wants.

It's a good idea to compromise at this point Chemisse Feb 2012 #1
An "opt out with information" provision is perfectly reasonable... jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #2
Nope, it's being discussed now because it will be a non-issue by the time the election CTyankee Feb 2012 #23
You can't zipplewrath Feb 2012 #27
It LOWERS the cost to insurers, so even if ALL companies were to karynnj Feb 2012 #70
The compromise makes the plan better, not worse karynnj Feb 2012 #69
Here's your accommodation. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3
Yep. That's the stuff. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #5
Sounds fair to me. Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #6
Yay! Medicare for all! Scrap Obamacare! Best idea out there! CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #8
sure, right, that'll happen...uh huh. CTyankee Feb 2012 #53
No,I have never seen it even tried. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #61
correct! Funny nobody thought to bring it up, init? CTyankee Feb 2012 #76
You do know that "Obamacare" is a GOP buzzword? n/t MaineDem Feb 2012 #67
Senator Sanders said there are 10 Senators at most who support that karynnj Feb 2012 #71
Where's the "Like" button on this thing? KeepItReal Feb 2012 #12
'Keeping government out of church' is too potent a call to arms. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #4
Too bad 'Keeping church out of government' doesn't resonate as well. Lasher Feb 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Pavlo Feb 2012 #96
Wow! You're a Genius! The Doctor. Feb 2012 #97
2,000 pages to choose from. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #7
Hi there! Welcome to DU! jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #9
Howdy. TX. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #10
Welcome to DU! Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #11
To the contrary, I expect women to organize JDPriestly Feb 2012 #17
What right to birth control is being stepped on? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #21
Wait, what? eggplant Feb 2012 #22
Just imagine. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #26
Say What??!!! kenfrequed Feb 2012 #42
you and me both ken... CTyankee Feb 2012 #54
Yeah kenfrequed Feb 2012 #55
Good question. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #100
Absurd kenfrequed Feb 2012 #127
Blood pressure control. Diabetes control. Cancer control. Bleeding control after an accident. uppityperson Feb 2012 #129
An accident or an illness. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #130
So no preventive stuff like high blood pressure control meds or insulin. uppityperson Feb 2012 #131
That's the stupidest thing I've seen on DU today - including CPAC quotes muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #68
Did you hear what Cal Thomas said about Rachel Maddow? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #102
What he said was ruder, but not as stupid as your post (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #103
How provencial. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #104
It's not an 'ad hominem' attack; I am attacking your post muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #106
Good. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #107
"when you get off the free benefits?" Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #78
Benefits provided by someone other than yourself. At no cost to yourself. Financial or other. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #105
Assumes that recipients haven't paid into the system prior to receiving benefits. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #109
My position CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #110
The only ones I heard going after drug tests for unrelaetd benefits are the Republicans karynnj Feb 2012 #79
It started with people like me. As a vessel captain. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #101
Doesn't make the idea any less despicable Occulus Feb 2012 #111
Are you on drugs? Don't be ridiculous. n/t bitchkitty Feb 2012 #94
If we let people eat beef, where will it end? Soon, we'll be eating dogs-- and then PEOPLE! n/t Ian David Feb 2012 #112
"Forced birth control"? Arkana Feb 2012 #114
Right. It can't happen here. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #116
Um, no. No, it can't. Arkana Feb 2012 #117
Right, No way it could ever happen here. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #124
You're likening the Patriot Act and the NDAA to forced birth control? Arkana Feb 2012 #125
Birth "control" CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #126
Republicans are setting themselves up for a Komen foundation type backlash. emulatorloo Feb 2012 #63
They make such a big deal over 2,000 pages. Rozlee Feb 2012 #29
You got it! CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #37
Aren't you a bit far from your bridge? Aren't you missing a few tolls? karynnj Feb 2012 #75
Insurance Companies get 20% of all Health Care Dollars for what reason? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #83
I assume you are referring to the fact that karynnj Feb 2012 #84
That money could go for care of the needy. It is one hellalot of dough for nothing. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #88
With this step he is basically helping to Blur the line that Seperate Church and State that some of Justice wanted Feb 2012 #13
I know. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #15
I would prefer single payer universal as well kenfrequed Feb 2012 #44
They won't. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #59
That's what Obama should have done! Every other "Western" country in the world has single payer. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #89
The Churches Will Never Accept Any Compromise TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #14
Next up...the "Death Panels " for Seniors. Investigate the Drug Company closed door deals? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #16
The Catholic Bishops and Fundamentalist preachers are open about their Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #80
"...as long as employees are given information whether such coverage can be obtained" DaveJ Feb 2012 #18
They Believe The Information Should Be Forbidden TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #19
It sounds like the insurance companies will be doing he informing, not the religious orgs Orangepeel Feb 2012 #20
These Conservative Institutions Support Gag Orders TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #36
All they have to do is inform. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2012 #48
Actually, I think the intent is to have free birth control, just paid for by the insurance companies Kber Feb 2012 #49
Looks like it. Which seems good enough actually. Catholics aren't paying it,to support it Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #99
MORE (From AP): Obama to announce accommodation for religious groups on birth control rule jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #24
I think this will be the straw that broke the camels back. So women who work at Catholic hospitals midnight Feb 2012 #46
Not true. jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #72
I guess that the big Jewish hospitals can opt out annabanana Feb 2012 #25
What is the right argument? KatyMan Feb 2012 #30
Repubs: once again more concerned with outdated institutions than individuals SacoMaine61 Feb 2012 #28
Another man telling women what to do with their reproductive health AngryAmish Feb 2012 #31
What are you talking about? jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #34
Fantasy Obama emulatorloo Feb 2012 #57
An imaginary reality, I guess. jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #77
this "accomadation" changes nothing dennis4868 Feb 2012 #32
But? The Church isn't paying for it Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #38
who cares... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #39
"Who cares"??? Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2012 #47
From the coverage I've read, birth control will still be free to the patient Kber Feb 2012 #50
you obviously do not undserstand the original ruling... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #64
"ruling that is about to come from Obama" Occulus Feb 2012 #113
Who cares?????? Beacool Feb 2012 #56
I think poster was trying to say if the end result is still free contraception coverage emulatorloo Feb 2012 #58
OK, but it would be nice if once in a while they actually stood on principle on something. Beacool Feb 2012 #65
They DID stand on principle. Women are getting free contraception coverage. Arkana Feb 2012 #119
exactly.... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #66
The WH caved???? Beacool Feb 2012 #33
Cute. jefferson_dem Feb 2012 #41
Oh, so sorry......... Beacool Feb 2012 #52
Actually, they are not being accomodating to the Catholic Church. msanthrope Feb 2012 #73
Character. tblue Feb 2012 #90
Thanks. Beacool Feb 2012 #95
Once again you fail to understand the nature of compromise Arkana Feb 2012 #120
And it must fit yours to support him no matter what he does. Beacool Feb 2012 #121
Not really. I just know a good deal when I see it. Arkana Feb 2012 #122
The opposition to this rule fifthoffive Feb 2012 #40
If people would leave the Catholic Church, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #43
that's not true...even if people like me leave the church... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #85
Their membership gets them press and credibility. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #92
there are too many very conservative Catholics for that... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #128
Non-Religious Operations DallasNE Feb 2012 #45
Many already do. Kber Feb 2012 #51
Ok, so ... Myrina Feb 2012 #60
You missed the part where women still get free contraception coverage. emulatorloo Feb 2012 #62
reasonable nbolick Feb 2012 #74
And we know how he crumbles in the face of opposition. nt Deep13 Feb 2012 #82
Obama caves again. Deep13 Feb 2012 #81
Can you explain SPECIFICALLY how this is a "cave"?? JoePhilly Feb 2012 #86
you aren't making sense... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #87
You sound like an idiot right now Thrill Feb 2012 #98
Shows what you know. Deep13 Feb 2012 #108
It's not a "cave". The same number of people are still covered. Arkana Feb 2012 #118
Seems like a masterful move by the White House high density Feb 2012 #91
ha ha ha boston bean Feb 2012 #93
I know. Obama set a trap,and the chumps walked right in. Swede Feb 2012 #115
I personally wouldn't compromise Great Caesars Ghost Feb 2012 #123
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