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Xithras

(16,191 posts)
12. Ireland was a neutral country.
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:28 PM
May 2013

And you have to understand the attitudes at the time. My grandfather, a first generation American of Irish descent (both of his parents were Irish born) didn't have any negative attitudes about the English until he was forced to live there for months before D-Day. He spoke with a clear Irish accent, and was pretty shocked when he was subjected to serious British racism. He'd go to pubs with other American soldiers and be kicked out because they considered him an Irishman. He'd be made the butt of racist jokes. Some English people would refuse to discuss the war with him in the room because they didn't trust the Irish. Other than the lynchings, he said that the Irish were treated nearly as badly in Britain in the 1940's as blacks were in the American south.

There was a real hatred between the Irish and English people back then, and even the threat of Hitler wasn't enough to get the Irish involved to help the English (the fact that the Nazi's weren't really a threat to Ireland didn't help that argument). In that context, it's understandable why the Irish reacted so poorly when so many of them ran off to help the English.

FWIW, my grandfathers experiences in Britain in WW2 was also the foundation of his support for the IRA, which lasted right up until his death in the 1990's. He came home hating the English nearly as much as he hated the Nazi's (or, as he once said, "It's a damned shame that America went to war to save the Jews and gypsies, but left the Irish to whither and die&quot . Hatred breeds hatred, and his experiences were an example of that.

That's big of them. secondvariety May 2013 #1
Isn't it great how they waited until forty-nine out of every fifty were dead, too? (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #4
It's kind of like the Vatican apologizing to Galileo. Lionel Mandrake May 2013 #15
This couldn't have been done decades ago? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #2
pfui - They deserted to a country that was an invading force and killed 40% of the population byeya May 2013 #3
I'm sure Hitler would have been gentle and benevolent after conquering Ireland. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #5
I'm guessing it would have been a very similar situation to Vichy France. Nye Bevan May 2013 #9
England conquered Ireland under the Normans in the 1100s. Gore1FL May 2013 #6
Unfortunately... DissidentVoice May 2013 #7
Thanks for the links! Gore1FL May 2013 #13
Also those from the Commonwealth DissidentVoice May 2013 #17
me too dlwickham May 2013 #18
To be fair, Roosevelt-Churchill versus Hitler-Mussolini was a tough call. Nye Bevan May 2013 #8
Seems to me they'd have nothing to gain and everything to lose to join either side Wednesdays May 2013 #10
If Britain had lost, I'm not sure that Ireland would have gained a whole lot from staying neutral. Nye Bevan May 2013 #11
Ugh. (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #14
And you have to take into account that many of those running Ireland in the late 1930s and early 40s dflprincess May 2013 #16
Ireland was a neutral country. Xithras May 2013 #12
The bitterness between Ireland and England reminds a little of what goes on in DU goldent May 2013 #19
Pretty sad. An extreme version of "my enemy's enemy is my friend", I guess. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #21
I wonder how many were in the Guards. Hayabusa May 2013 #20
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