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musical_soul

(775 posts)
158. The allegations were denied and never proven.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:08 PM
Mar 2013

I would think innocent until proven guilty was a progressive concept.

New pope is Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2013 OP
Is that a white dude? snooper2 Mar 2013 #1
Argentina "disappeared" most indigenous peoples. Divernan Mar 2013 #90
He's 76;staunchly opposes Abortion/Contraception/Gay Marriage -what a guy! Divernan Mar 2013 #108
Any record of new pope ever opposing torture of children/parents? Divernan Mar 2013 #122
It's not a long history. Just the last couple of centuries or so. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #185
Both of his parents are Italians (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #116
It depends on how you define "white" marshall Mar 2013 #144
He's white. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #165
It's actually a topic of great discussion marshall Mar 2013 #213
Italy is a country not a race. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #215
Race is socially constructed marshall Mar 2013 #216
what about the Italians that live closer to Germany? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #217
Yes, that it is nonsense is the point marshall Mar 2013 #218
Yes, he is white. You got a problem with that? Beacool Mar 2013 #219
lol snooper2 Mar 2013 #220
It's just that people in our country think that we are the only white people Beacool Mar 2013 #222
Interesting - he was nowheres near the top of the list, and a Jesuit TrogL Mar 2013 #2
I had him seeded at #4 on my bracket. rucky Mar 2013 #211
Hey an Italian Argentine! CTyankee Mar 2013 #3
Consolation prize for losing the Falklands vote. 24601 Mar 2013 #150
It sounds like all the Italian guys just couldn't go all the way and found this happy CTyankee Mar 2013 #155
Pope Francis Hissyspit Mar 2013 #4
at least the horned-one is gone tomm2thumbs Mar 2013 #151
Wonder if he will be mulish? whistler162 Mar 2013 #176
so much for Peter The Roman Cush Mar 2013 #5
I know,...the Rapture Types are throwing things. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #14
I know, aint it nice for a change? Volaris Mar 2013 #166
Yeah, like the Church admiting the world isn't flat. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #178
He picked the name Pope Francis I meow2u3 Mar 2013 #6
Animals? Wabbajack_ Mar 2013 #55
St Francis is Liberalynn Mar 2013 #65
I pray only to God. El Supremo Mar 2013 #71
What would your jayhawk say? Renew Deal Mar 2013 #82
That is a fictional animal. El Supremo Mar 2013 #87
Fictional. There is some irony there. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2013 #107
We pray to Bill Self Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #114
Will Self, you mean? Butt? Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #188
Many do pray only to God Liberalynn Mar 2013 #84
The Reformed Churches find that completely false. El Supremo Mar 2013 #93
What about the Virgin Mary? gateley Mar 2013 #177
Isn't that a drink? n/m El Supremo Mar 2013 #203
So: No Church. More clean. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #192
I pray to my dogs. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #125
+1! El Supremo Mar 2013 #139
I like that Liberalynn Mar 2013 #168
I pray to my cat. She IS God. lastlib Mar 2013 #173
Cats ask for no prayers. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #196
No, but they most assuredly demand fealty. lastlib Mar 2013 #200
Cats demand nothing. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #204
obviously, you never met my cat....... lastlib Mar 2013 #205
That's just 'cos you want to... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #206
Which one? amuse bouche Mar 2013 #141
Well then maybe that means we will get a better herd of politicians next election. Volaris Mar 2013 #167
One can only hope Liberalynn Mar 2013 #170
Very cool, er, legend, the St. Francis story. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #68
Francis of Assisi OhioChick Mar 2013 #78
Not that one ... Old Union Guy Mar 2013 #172
Not from what I've heard OhioChick Mar 2013 #187
Wrong Francis. nt msanthrope Mar 2013 #179
A Jesuit. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #7
Then he has sworn to obey himself. n/t aristocles Mar 2013 #15
The first Jesuit Pope ever. Is that significant? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #19
IMHO, it makes him a bit of a rebel. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #23
Jesuits tend to be more intellectual, slightly less conservative. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #25
Is it too much to hope for a fact-based Papacy? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #34
Still pretty anti-gay, anti-choice, etc. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #37
As it relates to gay issues, you're probably not going to find anyone in the hiearchy... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #42
I totally agree. But as I said in another post, we can hope he will NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #46
Isn't uncontrolled 'gay-ism' precisely the main problem, uh, Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #85
"And the Church is always going to be vocal against abortion." yellowcanine Mar 2013 #96
Except for a few Jesuits who are Opus Dei. i don't understand that. SharonAnn Mar 2013 #76
Since this guy conspired with the Argentinian dictator RainDog Mar 2013 #186
Uhhhh; greiner3 Mar 2013 #131
At a certain point, you have to realize the past is the past. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #135
""COUGH"" Inqusition <==> "Homeland Security" Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #198
#goodoldboysnetwork. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #175
Holding something that happened five hundred years ago against someone today is silly. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #193
No, they we not. a la izquierda Mar 2013 #201
The Jebbies are the intellectual leaders of the Catholic Church aristocles Mar 2013 #32
The Counter Reformation included the Roman Inquisition. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #62
He doesn't appear to have a history of trying to convert people. musical_soul Mar 2013 #124
Maybe not, but there was talk before the Conclave about choosing a Latin American yellowcanine Mar 2013 #129
Watched on ABC and Diane Sawyer says Pope Francis has a degree in Chemistry Liberalynn Mar 2013 #72
I agree, Jesuits are very much the rebels. I graduated from Rockhurst University a Jesuit run Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #95
This individual was a chemist with a Ph.D in philosophy jumptheshadow Mar 2013 #136
REALLY?! fascisthunter Mar 2013 #189
Almost every Argentinian is a white dude. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #8
Pretty much. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #12
Although, to be fair, a little more than half of Argentinians are dudettes... AngryAmish Mar 2013 #16
Like the British colony to the North, they killed the Native Americans Coyotl Mar 2013 #58
Yeah. Centuries after the 'discovery' of the Americas, the N. American racist Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #80
the Spanish conquest preceeded the English by over 100 years n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #119
Indeed. Well over 100 years. And was never overtly Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #121
Described as a champion of the poor. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #9
Watch out, Paul Ryan! meow2u3 Mar 2013 #109
Good. I think I can live with this. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #10
Grand Moff Tarkin? baldguy Mar 2013 #11
Bwah! LeftOfSelf-Centered Mar 2013 #41
He has a degree in chemistry. n/t aristocles Mar 2013 #13
Here's a little info gvstn Mar 2013 #17
The Guardian's bio: muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #18
So except for the condom thingy he cliffordu Mar 2013 #24
He doesn't support contraception. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #26
Hm. I'm reserving judgment because the Vatican is political as they come... AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #30
How will Paul Ryan & Rand Paul reconcile 'believes in contraception' with their 'person-hood' mania? freshwest Mar 2013 #57
The 'to prevent the spread of disease' means only when a spouse has HIV muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #73
So they expect them to use condoms, and allow for non-reproductive sex? freshwest Mar 2013 #117
"a lesser evil" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #126
I'm always struck by how much thought goes into their writings, as opposed to conservative drekt. freshwest Mar 2013 #134
Is this the new pope? darkangel218 Mar 2013 #183
Yup. There he is on the job in Argentina. Thought it caught more personality than some other pix. freshwest Mar 2013 #190
At least hes not so fugly as the old one. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #191
We may all get that scary if we reach that age, poor man. freshwest Mar 2013 #197
Maybe they get cookies? darkangel218 Mar 2013 #208
Since when does contraception prevent disease? Myrina Mar 2013 #75
I am glad it wasn't Cardinal Dolan yellowcanine Mar 2013 #20
OMG that's so funny you say that... Volaris Mar 2013 #159
South America pope seems logical riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #21
This is a complete repudiation of John Paul II AngryAmish Mar 2013 #22
This guy's a Jesuit? Stinky The Clown Mar 2013 #29
It is interesting. On many fronts. n/t AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #33
John Paul 2 made him a cardinal Renew Deal Mar 2013 #49
or, mayhaps, CHARLES Xavier...? Volaris Mar 2013 #161
You may be right. Laelth Mar 2013 #180
No his namesake is St. Francis of Assisi according to numerous news outlets. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2013 #181
wee. 2naSalit Mar 2013 #27
may have something to do with no sex olddots Mar 2013 #61
Most married guys I know look the same way, so maybe you're on to something. cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #81
Are you trying to tell us something? TrogL Mar 2013 #83
Makes ya think... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #94
At least he isnt swinging his clasped hands above his head from left to right, like Muhammad Ali. secondwind Mar 2013 #28
I'm not Catholic, but congrats to the people on here! erinlough Mar 2013 #31
why this is BAD NEWS DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #35
I wonder if they all had those white outfits made up arikara Mar 2013 #36
They have 4-5 suits in a range of sizes ready to go, and a taylor on hand to make alterations. baldguy Mar 2013 #45
Good. Finally the side show is over. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #38
Yawn....... magic59 Mar 2013 #39
This does no look promising :( gvstn Mar 2013 #40
No one was going to be different there, sad to say. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #44
I agree Renew Deal Mar 2013 #54
Considering gvstn Mar 2013 #59
"Liberal" in the church hierarchy is relative. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #70
I don't know much about this guy, I am surprised it is a Jesuit Marrah_G Mar 2013 #43
Interesting news CPX7700 Mar 2013 #47
Looks like the Catholic church found their Marco Rubio! Walk away Mar 2013 #48
Well his Italian sounds fine ucrdem Mar 2013 #50
They said his father was Italian. okwmember Mar 2013 #66
Ah. ucrdem Mar 2013 #86
Argentina was very welcoming to Germans/Italians after WWII. Divernan Mar 2013 #142
Half billion Catholics? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #162
Ok I just checked wiki and 33 million seems a fair estimate: ucrdem Mar 2013 #171
Good for the Catholic Church Hulk Mar 2013 #51
Elected 31313 donheld Mar 2013 #52
Interesting Renew Deal Mar 2013 #60
No, elected 13313 (outside USA). Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #100
1+3+3+1+3= 11 darkangel218 Mar 2013 #209
76 years old???!!! earthside Mar 2013 #53
What is wrong with being 76 years old? RebelOne Mar 2013 #63
It means he is a man of the last century. earthside Mar 2013 #104
Pope John XXIII was considered by many to be too old as well. And he only served less than 5 years. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #127
And a lot of people think that's why we will never see his like again in our lifetimes... Volaris Mar 2013 #169
After Pope John Paul II lasted like 26 years, they said they wanted shorter reigns Ter Mar 2013 #212
Big issue in 21st century is precisely: work for those of us who've had our pensions stolen Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #103
Regarding homosexuality, he wrote in a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires: Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #56
That's discouraging Onlooker Mar 2013 #77
Same sex marriage: "a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive" AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #64
Another bigot, I'm not surprised. n/t nonoyes Mar 2013 #69
785 followers on Twitter before today, now 22,000+ nonoyes Mar 2013 #67
As a former Catholic, Italian heritage woman, HockeyMom Mar 2013 #74
Good choice. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #105
Pope Francis I Laelth Mar 2013 #79
I am also betting on Francis Xavier JohninPA Mar 2013 #97
I am glad to hear that the Jesuits are reformed. Laelth Mar 2013 #147
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #88
So progressive of you. JohninPA Mar 2013 #99
His post IS progressive. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #113
Not so much anti-Catholic in origin as pro people everywhere, I suspect. toby jo Mar 2013 #133
Thoughtful post. Laelth Mar 2013 #182
"We are living post 2nd coming?!?" Reno Master Mar 2013 #199
a deeply thoughtful response sure to generate further discussion. n/t Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #102
Its days like today that make me become a more orthodox atheist . olddots Mar 2013 #89
His Wikipedia page was purged about 10 minutes after he came out on to that patio thing. apnu Mar 2013 #91
Wikipedia is sooo wonderful, isn't it? /sarc Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #98
Copied & Archived. Thanks. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #106
Thanks for finding this. I found this part interesting: freshwest Mar 2013 #128
Are we ever going to see a black Pope bigdarryl Mar 2013 #92
Not sure that race should have anything to do with it. JohninPA Mar 2013 #101
We're lucky it wasn't the African; he was even more conservative.. Moonwalk Mar 2013 #143
Halfway there? hedgehog Mar 2013 #115
Msnbc said Catholism is up 7000% in Africa olddots Mar 2013 #145
"during dictatorship...he was very cozy with the military" nonoyes Mar 2013 #110
Barf. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #111
Does this mean the Cardinals are sticking it to the Brits on the Falklands? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #112
Reuters had this to say about the name 'Francis' earlier: Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #118
First Jesuit priest. musical_soul Mar 2013 #120
Yeah, nothing says poverty like hiding prisoners in your vacation home. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #138
The allegations were denied and never proven. musical_soul Mar 2013 #158
It gets tossed out the window here if it lets people feel rightous and indignant. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #194
Because he'd happily declare to have done it? jeff47 Mar 2013 #214
He's against poverty? Can't wait for him to endorse birth control!!! Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #164
I hope the Pope brings progressive Reform to the Roman Catholic church TNLib Mar 2013 #123
I wouldn't expect anything too drastic, but... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #137
Pity the woman who marries a closeted and probably perverted Catholic gay priest husband. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #152
Umm, what makes you think that a married man who wants to be a priest..... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #157
No. I follow you. Almost all current Catholic priests are unmarried... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #184
So basically, another Italian pope. earthside Mar 2013 #130
Meet the new Pope - same as the old Pope. DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #132
At least now there's a Pope who doesn't look like a total creep Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #140
Really, "looks like ..." HuckleB Mar 2013 #202
Well, he ain't the Stanford Cardinal. 24601 Mar 2013 #146
OK, folks. My prediction: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #148
Hombre. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #153
How is a filthy rich guy in a fancy gown the "voice of the poor"? nt valerief Mar 2013 #149
Some info that you might not have heard yet, below Tx4obama Mar 2013 #154
Thanks, but when he's Mother Theresa, I'll listen. nt valerief Mar 2013 #156
She wasn't all that great either. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #163
oh no not another George klyon Mar 2013 #160
DISAPPOINTED! Once again,... johnfunk Mar 2013 #174
I couldn't remember his name earlier and said "It's something like Cornholio, but Italian so it ends slackmaster Mar 2013 #195
I thought I had a shot, but alas, I just didn't have the votes. Seems a little suspect to me... olddad56 Mar 2013 #207
Francis, eh? Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2013 #210
Let me explain some things to all of you who have never been to Argentina. Beacool Mar 2013 #221
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