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Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:22 AM

onehandle (35,994 posts)

37. The old west is over, gun nuts. And your 'golden age' is ending. nt

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167 replies	Author	Time	Post
Armed shopper shoots at Walmart shoplifter, police say [View all]	Divine Discontent	Feb 2013	OP
Hey, it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with...	Aristus	Feb 2013	#1
I don't know what else to do but shudder at the thought of this idiot,	Divine Discontent	Feb 2013	#10
I have to wonder if the value of the stolen merchandise	Gore1FL	Feb 2013	#31
and the ambulance, investigation, trial, et al	grahamhgreen	Feb 2013	#35
On the plus side, his aim appears to be better than...	TheMadMonk	Feb 2013	#71
Stay out of stores	cartach	Feb 2013	#74
theft = death	iamthebandfanman	Feb 2013	#50
How the hell ya gonna know if the intruder is armed?	Jackpine Radical	Feb 2013	#95
theft=death unless you're a banker, then theft=big bonus. nt	valerief	Feb 2013	#105
Bad comparison. A person breaking into your home may very possibly do you harm.	2ndAmForComputers	Feb 2013	#154
may n/t	iamthebandfanman	Mar 2013	#167
He also knocked a woman to the ground	Ter	Feb 2013	#99
He knocked down a Wal Mart worker	marshall	Feb 2013	#108
seems not many readers made it to page 2	Paul E Ester	Feb 2013	#111
Gee Thanks Paul	HangOnKids	Feb 2013	#141
You know, I have a personal policy myself	Scairp	Mar 2013	#163
a crime punishable by death..	frylock	Feb 2013	#116
and he should be charged for Assault for that	JI7	Feb 2013	#146
Another example	Jacoby365	Feb 2013	#2
Except the "bad guy" was unarmed	jpak	Feb 2013	#97
If Jose's bullets had hit a bystander and killed him/her, would that be manslaughter or murder? nt	Selatius	Feb 2013	#3
Neither	1983law	Feb 2013	#7
a TAD? shooting isn't a TAD much it is the ultimate much!	upaloopa	Feb 2013	#16
understatement for irony? nt	Deep13	Feb 2013	#28
I agree.	1983law	Feb 2013	#41
It gets easier	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2013	#124
You win the internets today...	1983law	Feb 2013	#133
thank you! I was wondering the same after I posted this. What if someone was right behind that car	Divine Discontent	Feb 2013	#9
Answer: He wasn't thinking	CanonRay	Feb 2013	#84
If he had hit the shoplifter, that would be murder.	jeff47	Feb 2013	#21
right nt	Deep13	Feb 2013	#27
Read page two of the article.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#62
Doesn't matter.	jeff47	Feb 2013	#65
This is entirely hypothetical	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#66
Except there's no reporting of a chase by either Buongiorno	jeff47	Feb 2013	#67
I think the report is pretty suspect.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#69
using the cop excuse.	CBGLuthier	Feb 2013	#87
Entirely possible.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#112
imagine that. putting a car in reverse to back out of a parking slot..	frylock	Feb 2013	#117
They would have a legal right to do that.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#121
"It's legal to do when you witness a crime in progress."	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2013	#125
Tonnage has right of way, as they say.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#126
my instinct for self preservation far exceeds my will to protect walmart's profit margin	frylock	Feb 2013	#130
Bullseye. (nt)	Paladin	Feb 2013	#134
Well, that's you.	Democracyinkind	Feb 2013	#156
2nd degree murder.	Deep13	Feb 2013	#26
"Intent follows bullet"	AnotherWyoDemocrat	Feb 2013	#32
How many years did he get?	davidpdx	Feb 2013	#88
Life	AnotherWyoDemocrat	Feb 2013	#100
They didn't. Your question is moot.	slackmaster	Feb 2013	#39
it's like it never happened..	frylock	Feb 2013	#131
By your logic, there isn't such a thing as "attempted murder."	2ndAmForComputers	Feb 2013	#155
And if the bystander was armed, would s/he have the legal right	tblue	Feb 2013	#51
In Florida, it's probably 'stand your ground'!	sinkingfeeling	Feb 2013	#96
If the bad guys don't get you, the vigilantes will.	bluedigger	Feb 2013	#4
Because the vigilantes are just as bad as the bad guys. nt	valerief	Feb 2013	#106
Utter chaos. Where is the justice system in all of this?	Loudly	Feb 2013	#5
The 'starve the beast' crowd demands this. They say it openly, no money for cops, just DYI.	freshwest	Feb 2013	#30
+1	graham4anything	Feb 2013	#77
Do these" heros" have the training re: firing a gun in public areas the way police are educated?	lunasun	Feb 2013	#6
good question. obviously, not all of them do, fortunately, this guys bullets seemed to have not hit	Divine Discontent	Feb 2013	#13
Ricochet	lunasun	Feb 2013	#17
Actually, he didn't need to hit a bystander. Hitting the shoplifter would have been plenty	jeff47	Feb 2013	#23
If he did, it didn't take. ...	Deep13	Feb 2013	#25
I swear there are people walking around just itching to shoot	tblue	Feb 2013	#52
Seems like it.	Deep13	Feb 2013	#57
I saw that they have a simulator open to citizens in NY	Mnpaul	Feb 2013	#33
Not in Texas?	rdharma	Feb 2013	#8
In Florida it's mandatory.	IveWornAHundredPants	Feb 2013	#11
Mandatory in Florida	rdharma	Feb 2013	#14
No. No place in the USA allows lethal force to defend mere property. nt	Deep13	Feb 2013	#24
No place in the USA allows lethal force to defend mere property	rdharma	Feb 2013	#44
All right, apparently I have not learned my lesson...	Deep13	Feb 2013	#60
Wrong again.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#70
It's a little confusing.	cynzke	Feb 2013	#120
Correct.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#122
Do you have 9.41 handy? nt	Deep13	Feb 2013	#150
Sure.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#151
That is just so unbelievable!	avebury	Feb 2013	#81
I don't like what Horn did, but there is an additonal piece of info missing from that account.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#114
They were coming toward him and he shot them in the back...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 2013	#138
The additional information means squat.	avebury	Feb 2013	#148
I would not want to live next to him either.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#149
What is really sad is that what Horn learned	avebury	Feb 2013	#152
Horn Became An Immediate Hero Of The Gun Militancy Movement.	Paladin	Feb 2013	#135
Did you hear the dispatcher recording?	rdharma	Feb 2013	#145
"I'm gonna shoot! I'm gonna shoot!"	Paladin	Feb 2013	#147
K&R	DeSwiss	Feb 2013	#12
even my ROE in iraq dictated proportionate response	pasto76	Feb 2013	#15
good point -proportionate response not	lunasun	Feb 2013	#19
Sounds like an uncomplicated attempted murder charge, pled down to assualt with a deadly weapon	cthulu2016	Feb 2013	#18
And following that felony conviction, never let that guy own a firearm again.	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#43
The benefits of concealed carry	BainsBane	Feb 2013	#20
Kind of a short trip	primavera	Feb 2013	#54
Remember the good old days, where we just whacked off their hands?	Fuddnik	Feb 2013	#72
Fleeing. Where was the mortal threat again? nt	Deep13	Feb 2013	#22
So much for training.	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#29
Judge, jury, jesus, police wannabe, executioner, supposedly responsible/law-abiding gun toter.	Hoyt	Feb 2013	#34
Neighborhood watch! nt	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#45
The shooter needs to face felony charges	Bjorn Against	Feb 2013	#36
The old west is over, gun nuts. And your 'golden age' is ending. nt	onehandle	Feb 2013	#37
Law 8,...there is only one penalty,...death.	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2013	#38
If we could confine all the gun idiots in the world to Wal*Marts	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#40
Juat another "law-abiding gun owner"....right up the moment he wasn't.	Ikonoklast	Feb 2013	#42
A legally obtained gun doesn't make someone a "good guy."	Beartracks	Feb 2013	#46
Is there room in this thread	1983law	Feb 2013	#47
Vgilantism is so cool	SansACause	Feb 2013	#53
Did you watch the video?	1983law	Feb 2013	#68
Did you read the article?	Fumesucker	Feb 2013	#76
so arrest the fucker , doesn't walmart have cameras , security etc ?	JI7	Feb 2013	#56
Sure,criticize him all you want just don't pretend his actions justify opening fire in a parking lot	Bjorn Against	Feb 2013	#59
No.	Iggo	Feb 2013	#107
no, we're all obviously pro-shoplifting..	frylock	Feb 2013	#129
Per the article	catchnrelease	Feb 2013	#48
Good...the shooter is a dangerous idiot who should be taken off the streets before he kills somebody	alcibiades_mystery	Feb 2013	#94
Was the shoplifter wearing a hoodie?	SansACause	Feb 2013	#49
fucking idiot, he should be banned from ever having another gun	JI7	Feb 2013	#55
I hope that is possible in Florida...eom	Kolesar	Feb 2013	#79
He should be imprisoned for life. He's a danger to the community. nt	valerief	Feb 2013	#103
this guy is a moron	bossy22	Feb 2013	#58
Oh, for fuck's sake...	awoke_in_2003	Feb 2013	#61
I see no one read page 2 of the article.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#63
So, every time you back out of a parking space, it'a attempted murder?	jpak	Feb 2013	#98
If one of the people involved in this altercation was standing there	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#113
Yes and alleged shoplifter being chased by strangers backed a car out while escaping them	jpak	Feb 2013	#140
Some posters never change...	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#142
Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument really bites." Gotcha. n/t.	apocalypsehow	Feb 2013	#160
JPak's tire equivocation between self defense and the 'death penalty' is certainly a winning argumen	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#162
I'm ok with charging the perp..	sendero	Mar 2013	#165
Yeah, more details are coming out.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 2013	#166
"That's attempted murder."	frylock	Feb 2013	#132
Yeah, I saw the second article this morning.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 2013	#136
The woman the robber knocked down is actually grateful that Martinez shot at the thief	Common Sense Party	Feb 2013	#64
You never have a reason to shoot at someone unless you're trapped and can't get away...	Sancho	Feb 2013	#82
Deadly force can be used	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#91
This place is out of control...	Sancho	Feb 2013	#73
Martinez told authorities he was trying to mark McKee's car.........	Historic NY	Feb 2013	#75
oh yeh, i do that all the time. so much easier than memorizing a license plate.	frylock	Feb 2013	#137
Yup. Most of us would just write the license plate number down	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#161
Regarding the shooting in Largo	classykaren	Feb 2013	#78
Loss prevention employees?	sulphurdunn	Feb 2013	#80
Loss Prevention	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#101
Who knows. . .?	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#83
Walking home with a soda can get you killed here!	Sancho	Feb 2013	#92
Good for you!	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#115
Yes.	sulphurdunn	Feb 2013	#128
a lot happened in a short time, started with the woman knocked down and loud screams	Sunlei	Feb 2013	#85
If WalMart doesn't care about preventing shoplifting and harm to customers	Blandocyte	Feb 2013	#86
I think the off duty police officer had every right to help however he could within reason	davidpdx	Feb 2013	#89
"Ahm gunna be a HEERO!!"	hatrack	Feb 2013	#90
Hahaaaahaaaaaa! Yep: that sums it up perfectly.	apocalypsehow	Feb 2013	#159
Another moron with a gun. nt	Javaman	Feb 2013	#93
But the worst thing in the world is stealing from Wal-Mart. It deserves death, right?	valerief	Feb 2013	#102
Goodguyswithguns.	Iggo	Feb 2013	#104
just get the license plate number	ThomThom	Feb 2013	#109
Why are you protect WalMart?	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#110
Well I bet Martinez	Smilo	Feb 2013	#118
The woman who was knocked down said she thought she's been shot -	hedgehog	Feb 2013	#119
Was anyone in imminent danger of bodily harm?	AngryOldDem	Feb 2013	#123
When shooting up the back of the car....	cynzke	Feb 2013	#127
that would be the fault of the children for placing themselves in proximity..	frylock	Feb 2013	#139
Lucky no other customers were in the line of fire.	hamsterjill	Feb 2013	#143
A gun is like an escalator.	sofa king	Feb 2013	#144
I didn't know that shoplifting was a death penalty offense	Scairp	Feb 2013	#153
Who in the hell wants to protect walmart!!??	and-justice-for-all	Feb 2013	#157
some gun-toters regard Walmart as American as apple pie and adore it.	Divine Discontent	Mar 2013	#164
"Investigators said Martinez was charged with two felonies" - Good, I hope they throw the book at	apocalypsehow	Feb 2013	#158

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