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Sirveri

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60. I thought pirates actually took the other persons boat, or robbed them.

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:07 AM

Feb 2013

These guys don't board other ships and rape and murder the crew before stripping the boat bare. Or taking the crew hostage for ransom. Or taking the boat and press ganging the crew and using them to make further raids.

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Anti-whalers Sea Shepherd are pirates, says US court [View all] Redfairen Feb 2013 OP

Yup n/t geomon666 Feb 2013 #1

Gee, what a reasoned, nuanced post. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #16

Thankfully, we have yours as a counterexample. n/t Psephos Feb 2013 #39

Ho Hum warrant46 Feb 2013 #41

Seriously? 1983law Feb 2013 #50

Good analogy. Nika Feb 2013 #51

Problem is legally dolphins and whales much like cows dont really have any legal rights. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #71

No, it is there obligation. Nika Feb 2013 #83

Oh, so its their "obligation" to try and kill others to support their opinions. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #87

No one tried to kill these people. Nika Feb 2013 #89

So the whaling boats were unmanned and being remotely controlled? Thanks for the heads up cstanleytech Mar 2013 #91

Show me a quote that emanates from Captain Watson stating the policy has suddenly become one of... Nika Mar 2013 #92

Exaggerating am I? Ok now, lets try this then and please follow along. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #93

Was the ship the whalers sunk by colliding with it done on purpose? Nika Mar 2013 #99

I never claimed the whalers arent assholes though. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #100

I have a unique perspective on this as a forest activist who was nearly killed doing a tree-sit Nika Mar 2013 #102

You could teach the sea shepherd people a thing or two in the use of non violence it would cstanleytech Mar 2013 #108

Gotta love whipping out bigoted, broad-brush language in the same post you invoke Dred Scott. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #113

I wonder who the whales and those who know international law would say the pirates are? CreekDog Feb 2013 #63

What are you when you violate international law by killing protected animals? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #2

in this case? azurnoir Feb 2013 #7

Need a lawyer to represent the whales Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #3

And whaling is what now? Oh yeah, illegal. sakabatou Feb 2013 #4

Then the answer to the current problem is to close the loopholes and it isnt to ram ships and cstanleytech Feb 2013 #72

Nobody was forced to be on those ships. Xithras Feb 2013 #85

ITA. (n/t) Nihil Mar 2013 #97

Thankfully Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #5

course most of what that judge said is taken out of context PatrynXX Feb 2013 #6

They're vigilantes, not pirates. The judge is 'without a doubt' an ass. MrModerate Feb 2013 #8

"Corporate pirates though," says the judge, "like the ones who own me, why villager Feb 2013 #9

Until demand ceases, there will always be whaling, even if it is only aboriginal ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #10

The meat expires on the shelf Kolesar Feb 2013 #22

That means there is more demand than they are taking ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #29

It's heavily subsidized by the Japanese government Nevernose Feb 2013 #61

or that whalers can only "harvest" their prey in discrete (and very large) quantities 0rganism Mar 2013 #110

wait a minute, you support letting the whales go extinct to save fish populations? CreekDog Feb 2013 #65

Please reread what was said. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #66

The judge is technically correct, but ultimately wrong in the court of public opinion pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #11

I thought pirates actually took the other persons boat, or robbed them. Sirveri Feb 2013 #60

They are heroes standing up to thieves and muggers Nika Feb 2013 #64

The legal definition is somewhat broader than that ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #67

Yep, that is a shortcoming about law primavera Feb 2013 #70

Those are long term international treaties ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #73

I know. An area of law even weaker than domestic law. primavera Feb 2013 #74

Not always pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #68

My take is that the Japanese are using a civil vs criminal approach ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #75

That is what it takes to save whales. roody Feb 2013 #12

The term Pirate defacto7 Feb 2013 #13

you might want to do melm00se Feb 2013 #78

Ah, but I have.... defacto7 Mar 2013 #95

Piracy melm00se Mar 2013 #96

I can accept your view defacto7 Mar 2013 #109

Clarence Thomas, ex-Monsanto attorney, sitting on the Supreme Court and not recusing himself Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #14

morons. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #15

Ahhh yes, another well-reasoned environmental response by the United States... Earth_First Feb 2013 #17

well you know, environmentalists are the n-----s of the world, don't you? wordpix Feb 2013 #54

Kozinski obviously does not know what a pirate actually is. blackspade Feb 2013 #18

More like, Robin Hood of the seas. lexw Feb 2013 #19

Sad. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #20

Seems like they should have at least acknowledged that the Whalers are breaking the law groundloop Feb 2013 #21

As Japan controls the IWC that writes the Laws concerning International Whaling One_Life_To_Give Feb 2013 #81

the UNCLOS and SUA Convention provide definitions of piracy melm00se Feb 2013 #23

"Only we get to do that sort of thing." bemildred Feb 2013 #24

In law, motive is not relevant. Intent is. Motive may help a jury draw inferences; however, it is 24601 Feb 2013 #46

Law, schmaw, he is lecturing them from the bench. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #48

2 petitions before WHITEHOUSE.GOV supporting Sea shepherds eed support. WRH2 Feb 2013 #25

The Court is only following what the White House wants happyslug Feb 2013 #27

Here is the actual opinion happyslug Feb 2013 #26

yaa, like he said WRH2 Feb 2013 #28

And all environmentalists and ecologists are terrorists too fasttense Feb 2013 #30

So you agree, people can Hurl Acid at you?? and that is perfectly legal!!! happyslug Feb 2013 #32

You are mistaken in your understanding of "acid" in this case. rwsanders Feb 2013 #33

Law??? The same "law" that picked W as our prez? fasttense Feb 2013 #34

+1000 wordpix Feb 2013 #57

Good post. Psephos Feb 2013 #40

but you think it's fine to kill whales against international law wordpix Feb 2013 #56

The Court did NOT find that the whales were being killed against International Law happyslug Feb 2013 #79

like ANYONE will get a fair court hearing on whaling in Japan wordpix Feb 2013 #86

Not so... you need to base this on the facts, not what you think... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #106

That they threw Acid was a finding by the Court happyslug Mar 2013 #107

Well, thanks, judge happy slug! MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #111

You jest, but the Southern Poverty Law Center labels Sea Shepherd a "hate group". Laffy Kat Mar 2013 #101

my favorite part is where Japanese whalers call themselves "Cetacean" wordpix Feb 2013 #55

If the shoe fits... Peter cotton Feb 2013 #31

Yes they are, swashbuckling Pirates ever last one of them. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #35

Privateering melm00se Feb 2013 #38

These whalers are NOT researchers as the court decision states they are. Nika Feb 2013 #36

And if you read the opinion, it is up to JAPAN to regulate what it ships does happyslug Feb 2013 #43

There is a difference between Earth First! protesters like others and myself who do non-violent Nika Feb 2013 #45

Probably the best post on this topic. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #49

Rehearing en banc The Stranger Feb 2013 #37

This Kozinski is a Bush Bot and a Piece of WORK warrant46 Feb 2013 #42

What about the other two judges? IIRC it was a 3-0 decision ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #69

Smith wrote a partial dissent, agreeing to the ruling EXCEPT for the removal of the Trial Judge happyslug Feb 2013 #80

Ahrrrr!!! derby378 Feb 2013 #44

Sad. Quantess Feb 2013 #47

Too bad the whales can't hire lawyers daleo Feb 2013 #52

Right or wrong, it is clearly illegal - and dangerous. Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #53

yes "it" is---for the whales, especially wordpix Feb 2013 #58

Yeah, I've seen that show. It's only a matter of time before an SS operative gets killed or... Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #90

the Freedom Riders and other protesters for civil rights likewise engaged in wordpix Mar 2013 #103

Not at all. Unlike you, I think HUMAN rights are more important than animals. Pterodactyl Mar 2013 #104

You can't ''unrotten'' the apple. n/t DeSwiss Feb 2013 #59

woah look at the video w japan using 2 ships to ram and flood- HERO Sea Shepherd Sunlei Feb 2013 #62

I have given SS money for 40 years and will continue to do so. Whatever it takes to catbyte Feb 2013 #76

Thank you for your generosity. I've given them money for just over seven years and have had friends Nika Feb 2013 #84

USA Court lol lol lol MFM008 Feb 2013 #77

The Sierra. flvegan Feb 2013 #82

What they do is not piracy. and-justice-for-all Feb 2013 #88

Piracy is profit-motivated, by definition. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #94

Donate to the Whales' Navy here. roody Mar 2013 #98

NOTHING the Sea Shepard did was wrong... but THEY WERE attacked by Japanese whalers... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #105

I'm curious, who did the whalers murder? n/t Godhumor Mar 2013 #112

You don't suppose... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #114

So no actual murder then. Godhumor Mar 2013 #116

According to whom? MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #118

No, according to what murder is actually defined as Godhumor Mar 2013 #119

Technically right, but very dominionist... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #120

Thanks for reminding me arikara Mar 2013 #115

More like the Japanese whaling ships are pirates... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #117