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In the discussion thread: Sebastian Swartz, 9-Year-Old Boy, Dead After Shooting Himself With Father's Gun In Ohio [View all]

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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:47 PM

JoeBlowToo (253 posts)

13. Try following the discussion...the poster claimed that death penalties would prevent

owners from leaving their weapons out for children to hurt themselves with.

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108 replies	Author	Time	Post
Sebastian Swartz, 9-Year-Old Boy, Dead After Shooting Himself With Father's Gun In Ohio [View all]	Judi Lynn	Feb 27	OP
The dad may not have been adequately trained in gun safety. The basics should be taught in school.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#1
NO WAY. I don't want to waste school time with guns.	Fresh_Start	Feb 27	#3
Thanks.	a la izquierda	Feb 27	#47
Truly amazing response...a gun in the home is like...well, a loaded gun...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#6
That's commonly called the "body count fallacy"	slackmaster	Feb 27	#16
Fallacy?	CANDO	Feb 27	#49
Bullshit. You should have to demonstrate proficiency BEFORE you can purchase a gun. Period.	JoePhilly	Feb 27	#9
Since when does passing a driver's test prevent reckless driving?	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#11
If you are reckless, you get ticketed.	JoePhilly	Feb 27	#12
Won't happen as long as politicians lick the boots of the NRA...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#14
I described what I think should happen.	JoePhilly	Feb 27	#17
It does prevent reckless driving, it does not stop it but it does prevent it	Bjorn Against	Feb 27	#23
Thank you!!	primavera	Feb 28	#64
You're not going to get your way on that. We don't have to prove proficiency before we can vote,	slackmaster	Feb 27	#18
The Next Time A Ballot Is Used To Turn A School Into A Slaughterhouse.....	Paladin	Feb 27	#34
Generaly speaking, you usually do not get knocked in the head or shot through the heart	juajen	Feb 27	#37
Those pesky facts	roxy1234	Feb 27	#58
Actually we didn't vote for Bush	Fumesucker	Feb 28	#65
You're allowed to vote for National Socialist parties, join the KKK, publish racist propaganda, etc.	harmonicon	Feb 28	#72
Yes, we are: owning a gun and casting a vote are in no way comparable, for one thing;	apocalypsehow	Mar 1	#97
The term "well-regulated militia' comes to mind.	sofa king	Mar 2	#107
But if we require that they actually show some responsibility we are violating their	Squinch	Feb 27	#59
That's the crux of the problem, alright	primavera	Feb 28	#62
Pass.	City Lights	Feb 27	#21
No, what they need to do is	Politicalboi	Feb 27	#22
There are a lot of wishful but impotent "should" statements in that short paragraph.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#25
Um, small point. The Dad did not shoot himself. A 9 year old did.	MichiganVote	Feb 27	#27
The boy shot himself because his father failed to adequately secure his weapon.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#29
I think that's an obvious point.	MichiganVote	Feb 27	#32
Maybe in your family...	FarPoint	Feb 27	#31
Teaching kids how to be safe is not teaching them any kind of negative culture.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#33
I understand you safety education training goals.	FarPoint	Feb 27	#38
I'm with you on driver's ed. There are so many bad drivers on the road now.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#39
If I had kids I would teach them to be safe by teaching them to stay away from guns	Bjorn Against	Feb 27	#40
Sooner or later they would grow up and no longer be under your control	slackmaster	Feb 27	#41
No they would not be under my control, but they would be educated about guns	Bjorn Against	Feb 27	#45
Should children also be taught to disarm bombs? (nt)	harmonicon	Feb 28	#73
Only if they really want to be taught to disarm bombs	slackmaster	Feb 28	#74
So why do you think guns should be different?	harmonicon	Feb 28	#75
Guns have a multitude of applications, and can be used safely with proper training.	slackmaster	Mar 1	#83
There is basically no situation where that will happen.	harmonicon	Mar 1	#84
Target shooting and collecting are the most common uses for firearms	slackmaster	Mar 1	#85
You know, there's a far more simple solution than what you suggest.	harmonicon	Mar 1	#88
Would you allow your children to ride bicycles in the street, or drive cars?	slackmaster	Mar 1	#93
I really don't give a shit what you do with guns in your own house.	harmonicon	Mar 1	#99
My reference to transportation was in regard to your claim that you would try to prevent your child	slackmaster	Mar 1	#101
I was being serious. It wasn't meant as an ad hominem attack.	harmonicon	Mar 1	#102
I'm not trying to equate weapons with vehicles. I'm talking about probabilities.	slackmaster	Mar 1	#103
There is one way to mitigating risk involving guns that is foolproof:	harmonicon	Mar 1	#105
Wrong. The dad should never have been allowed to take possession of a gun	kestrel91316	Feb 27	#35
More wishful thinking "should" statements. You don't have to get psych tested or take a course...	slackmaster	Feb 27	#36
no, the basics should be taught at the point-of-sale..	frylock	Feb 27	#43
The only safety education being advocated here consists of:	AtheistCrusader	Feb 27	#46
If you want to have a gun, do this on your own time and with your own dime. It's your hobby,	Squinch	Feb 27	#53
Did you not read a word I just said?	AtheistCrusader	Feb 28	#63
Herein lies the problem.	Squinch	Mar 1	#86
Let me stop you right there.	AtheistCrusader	Mar 1	#87
OK, let's replace pro gun with pro driving a car.	Squinch	Mar 1	#89
The more numerous example of the negligent gun owner in the home	AtheistCrusader	Mar 1	#92
Well, hot damn!	Squinch	Mar 1	#94
Not only that	AtheistCrusader	Mar 1	#95
.	Squinch	Mar 1	#96
You know we're not allowed to come to an agreement right?	AtheistCrusader	Mar 1	#98
I would joke that something like that happened in Fla, but it's too sad what happened to that guy.	Squinch	Mar 1	#100
As it has been mentioned before...	Blue_Tires	Feb 27	#44
Gosh. We're shocked, shocked I tell you, that you feel the need to say this and thereby	Squinch	Feb 27	#51
I never said it was the responsibility of anyone but the gun owner. I'm suggesting...	slackmaster	Feb 27	#52
You are saying the schools should teach how to be safe around your hobby.	Squinch	Feb 27	#54
It's not about me.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#55
Would that class apply to any and all products...	LanternWaste	Feb 28	#67
Like drugs, sex, and cars, improperly handled firearms pose an extraordinary hazard to people	slackmaster	Feb 28	#69
Covering the subject in a health/wellness class would be a good idea	Blandocyte	Feb 28	#70
Teaching is like giving a young person a tool. The tool gets put into the toolbox, and may never...	slackmaster	Feb 28	#71
every person who buys or already owns a gun should be required to be licensed	magical thyme	Feb 28	#78
The rights to drive, hunt, fish, clam, dig worms, and take lobstahs aren't enumerated in the Bill...	slackmaster	Mar 1	#79
the bill of rights does not necessarily preclude licensing or regulation	magical thyme	Mar 1	#80
I'd like to hear the answer to that one, too	primavera	Mar 1	#81
No, federal law prohibits sale of a long gun to anyone under 18. For handguns, 21.	slackmaster	Mar 1	#82
if the federal government can regulate gun sales	magical thyme	Mar 1	#106
Unfortunately, lots of so-called responsible gun owners are just a tragedy waiting to happen.	Hoyt	Mar 1	#104
This boy would still be alive if there was not a gun in the house.	LonePirate	Feb 27	#2
...or if the weapon had been properly secured out of reach of the child.	slackmaster	Feb 27	#4
Then it would not be an effective self defense option...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#7
Decatur looks like a wide spot in the road (literally).	secondvariety	Feb 27	#20
The problem is not that there is an actual need for the weapon...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#24
Which leads to a	secondvariety	Feb 27	#28
Actually, after talking to several gun owners that I know,	juajen	Feb 27	#42
They sound like a bunch of doofs	Dash87	Feb 27	#60
is it paranoia?	bossy22	Feb 27	#50
The Dad should be tried and sent to prison	randr	Feb 27	#5
sure, just like death penalties curtail homicide...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#8
And clearly life in prison is no deterent either. Let's drop all laws about murder.	JoePhilly	Feb 27	#10
Try following the discussion...the poster claimed that death penalties would prevent	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#13
If you own a gun, and some one else is killed accidentaly because of your neglegence ...	JoePhilly	Feb 27	#15
Maybe we should give people prizes when they commit murder. Because of that incarceration	Squinch	Feb 27	#57
It's not always about deterrence.	secondvariety	Feb 27	#19
Negligence is not usually prosecuted in our society...	JoeBlowToo	Feb 27	#26
Criminally negligent manslaughter	secondvariety	Feb 27	#30
My initial reaction, which continures to this moment,	randr	Feb 28	#66
Not the death penalty, but yes, a jail penalty for the death that occurred as a result of his	Squinch	Feb 27	#56
This is horrible sad and tragic story ...	brett_jv	Feb 27	#48
A sensible proposal for a legislative solution	Nevernose	Feb 28	#61
Gun sales already include locks.	ManiacJoe	Feb 28	#76
Lock up your guns people. My kids are 7 and 8. If I had a gun it would be totally locked away	Jennicut	Feb 28	#68
I store my shotgun seperately from the shells for it, the former in a locked safe. I cannot imagine	apocalypsehow	Mar 1	#91
Thanks.	Jennicut	Mar 2	#108
The father should go to prison.	avebury	Feb 28	#77
Tragic. The cost of unregulated gun fetishism in this country claims another life. Some jerk can't	apocalypsehow	Mar 1	#90

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