Latest Breaking News

blackspade

(10,056 posts)

18. Kozinski obviously does not know what a pirate actually is.

Reply to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:13 AM

Feb 2013

Sea Shepard is not committing piracy, they are preventing it.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

120 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Anti-whalers Sea Shepherd are pirates, says US court [View all] Redfairen Feb 2013 OP

Yup n/t geomon666 Feb 2013 #1

Gee, what a reasoned, nuanced post. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #16

Thankfully, we have yours as a counterexample. n/t Psephos Feb 2013 #39

Ho Hum warrant46 Feb 2013 #41

Seriously? 1983law Feb 2013 #50

Good analogy. Nika Feb 2013 #51

Problem is legally dolphins and whales much like cows dont really have any legal rights. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #71

No, it is there obligation. Nika Feb 2013 #83

Oh, so its their "obligation" to try and kill others to support their opinions. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #87

No one tried to kill these people. Nika Feb 2013 #89

So the whaling boats were unmanned and being remotely controlled? Thanks for the heads up cstanleytech Mar 2013 #91

Show me a quote that emanates from Captain Watson stating the policy has suddenly become one of... Nika Mar 2013 #92

Exaggerating am I? Ok now, lets try this then and please follow along. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #93

Was the ship the whalers sunk by colliding with it done on purpose? Nika Mar 2013 #99

I never claimed the whalers arent assholes though. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #100

I have a unique perspective on this as a forest activist who was nearly killed doing a tree-sit Nika Mar 2013 #102

You could teach the sea shepherd people a thing or two in the use of non violence it would cstanleytech Mar 2013 #108

Gotta love whipping out bigoted, broad-brush language in the same post you invoke Dred Scott. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #113

I wonder who the whales and those who know international law would say the pirates are? CreekDog Feb 2013 #63

What are you when you violate international law by killing protected animals? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #2

in this case? azurnoir Feb 2013 #7

Need a lawyer to represent the whales Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #3

And whaling is what now? Oh yeah, illegal. sakabatou Feb 2013 #4

Then the answer to the current problem is to close the loopholes and it isnt to ram ships and cstanleytech Feb 2013 #72

Nobody was forced to be on those ships. Xithras Feb 2013 #85

ITA. (n/t) Nihil Mar 2013 #97

Thankfully Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #5

course most of what that judge said is taken out of context PatrynXX Feb 2013 #6

They're vigilantes, not pirates. The judge is 'without a doubt' an ass. MrModerate Feb 2013 #8

"Corporate pirates though," says the judge, "like the ones who own me, why villager Feb 2013 #9

Until demand ceases, there will always be whaling, even if it is only aboriginal ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #10

The meat expires on the shelf Kolesar Feb 2013 #22

That means there is more demand than they are taking ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #29

It's heavily subsidized by the Japanese government Nevernose Feb 2013 #61

or that whalers can only "harvest" their prey in discrete (and very large) quantities 0rganism Mar 2013 #110

wait a minute, you support letting the whales go extinct to save fish populations? CreekDog Feb 2013 #65

Please reread what was said. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #66

The judge is technically correct, but ultimately wrong in the court of public opinion pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #11

I thought pirates actually took the other persons boat, or robbed them. Sirveri Feb 2013 #60

They are heroes standing up to thieves and muggers Nika Feb 2013 #64

The legal definition is somewhat broader than that ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #67

Yep, that is a shortcoming about law primavera Feb 2013 #70

Those are long term international treaties ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #73

I know. An area of law even weaker than domestic law. primavera Feb 2013 #74

Not always pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #68

My take is that the Japanese are using a civil vs criminal approach ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #75

That is what it takes to save whales. roody Feb 2013 #12

The term Pirate defacto7 Feb 2013 #13

you might want to do melm00se Feb 2013 #78

Ah, but I have.... defacto7 Mar 2013 #95

Piracy melm00se Mar 2013 #96

I can accept your view defacto7 Mar 2013 #109

Clarence Thomas, ex-Monsanto attorney, sitting on the Supreme Court and not recusing himself Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #14

morons. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #15

Ahhh yes, another well-reasoned environmental response by the United States... Earth_First Feb 2013 #17

well you know, environmentalists are the n-----s of the world, don't you? wordpix Feb 2013 #54

Kozinski obviously does not know what a pirate actually is. blackspade Feb 2013 #18

More like, Robin Hood of the seas. lexw Feb 2013 #19

Sad. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #20

Seems like they should have at least acknowledged that the Whalers are breaking the law groundloop Feb 2013 #21

As Japan controls the IWC that writes the Laws concerning International Whaling One_Life_To_Give Feb 2013 #81

the UNCLOS and SUA Convention provide definitions of piracy melm00se Feb 2013 #23

"Only we get to do that sort of thing." bemildred Feb 2013 #24

In law, motive is not relevant. Intent is. Motive may help a jury draw inferences; however, it is 24601 Feb 2013 #46

Law, schmaw, he is lecturing them from the bench. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #48

2 petitions before WHITEHOUSE.GOV supporting Sea shepherds eed support. WRH2 Feb 2013 #25

The Court is only following what the White House wants happyslug Feb 2013 #27

Here is the actual opinion happyslug Feb 2013 #26

yaa, like he said WRH2 Feb 2013 #28

And all environmentalists and ecologists are terrorists too fasttense Feb 2013 #30

So you agree, people can Hurl Acid at you?? and that is perfectly legal!!! happyslug Feb 2013 #32

You are mistaken in your understanding of "acid" in this case. rwsanders Feb 2013 #33

Law??? The same "law" that picked W as our prez? fasttense Feb 2013 #34

+1000 wordpix Feb 2013 #57

Good post. Psephos Feb 2013 #40

but you think it's fine to kill whales against international law wordpix Feb 2013 #56

The Court did NOT find that the whales were being killed against International Law happyslug Feb 2013 #79

like ANYONE will get a fair court hearing on whaling in Japan wordpix Feb 2013 #86

Not so... you need to base this on the facts, not what you think... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #106

That they threw Acid was a finding by the Court happyslug Mar 2013 #107

Well, thanks, judge happy slug! MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #111

You jest, but the Southern Poverty Law Center labels Sea Shepherd a "hate group". Laffy Kat Mar 2013 #101

my favorite part is where Japanese whalers call themselves "Cetacean" wordpix Feb 2013 #55

If the shoe fits... Peter cotton Feb 2013 #31

Yes they are, swashbuckling Pirates ever last one of them. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #35

Privateering melm00se Feb 2013 #38

These whalers are NOT researchers as the court decision states they are. Nika Feb 2013 #36

And if you read the opinion, it is up to JAPAN to regulate what it ships does happyslug Feb 2013 #43

There is a difference between Earth First! protesters like others and myself who do non-violent Nika Feb 2013 #45

Probably the best post on this topic. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #49

Rehearing en banc The Stranger Feb 2013 #37

This Kozinski is a Bush Bot and a Piece of WORK warrant46 Feb 2013 #42

What about the other two judges? IIRC it was a 3-0 decision ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #69

Smith wrote a partial dissent, agreeing to the ruling EXCEPT for the removal of the Trial Judge happyslug Feb 2013 #80

Ahrrrr!!! derby378 Feb 2013 #44

Sad. Quantess Feb 2013 #47

Too bad the whales can't hire lawyers daleo Feb 2013 #52

Right or wrong, it is clearly illegal - and dangerous. Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #53

yes "it" is---for the whales, especially wordpix Feb 2013 #58

Yeah, I've seen that show. It's only a matter of time before an SS operative gets killed or... Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #90

the Freedom Riders and other protesters for civil rights likewise engaged in wordpix Mar 2013 #103

Not at all. Unlike you, I think HUMAN rights are more important than animals. Pterodactyl Mar 2013 #104

You can't ''unrotten'' the apple. n/t DeSwiss Feb 2013 #59

woah look at the video w japan using 2 ships to ram and flood- HERO Sea Shepherd Sunlei Feb 2013 #62

I have given SS money for 40 years and will continue to do so. Whatever it takes to catbyte Feb 2013 #76

Thank you for your generosity. I've given them money for just over seven years and have had friends Nika Feb 2013 #84

USA Court lol lol lol MFM008 Feb 2013 #77

The Sierra. flvegan Feb 2013 #82

What they do is not piracy. and-justice-for-all Feb 2013 #88

Piracy is profit-motivated, by definition. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #94

Donate to the Whales' Navy here. roody Mar 2013 #98

NOTHING the Sea Shepard did was wrong... but THEY WERE attacked by Japanese whalers... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #105

I'm curious, who did the whalers murder? n/t Godhumor Mar 2013 #112

You don't suppose... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #114

So no actual murder then. Godhumor Mar 2013 #116

According to whom? MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #118

No, according to what murder is actually defined as Godhumor Mar 2013 #119

Technically right, but very dominionist... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #120

Thanks for reminding me arikara Mar 2013 #115

More like the Japanese whaling ships are pirates... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #117