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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:50 PM

AlbertCat (10,448 posts)

96. That's just punishing the grandchild

Not if the mother does a great job.... on her own.

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244 replies	Author	Time	Post
Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle [View all]	davidn3600	Feb 19	OP
(her choice)	annabanana	Feb 19	#1
Yes, BUT	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#2
I guess that will have to be	annabanana	Feb 19	#4
agree, or to pay for the health costs	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#6
Agreed.	TEXASYANKEE	Feb 19	#10
At 18 she's legally an adult	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#11
Oh right, like parents are not going to feel that they have to step in and help?	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#14
Then call me guilty	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#27
I complete agree	Drale	Feb 19	#61
That's just punishing the grandchild	demwing	Feb 19	#81
Adoption	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#85
You didn't tell us you know the people involved. Since you know "THAT is the best choice", I must	uppityperson	Feb 19	#90
You don't understand why a grandparent would want to have their grandchildren around?	Exultant Democracy	Feb 19	#145
Hands down best choice	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#161
"You people?" Ouch!!!!!!!! nt	MADem	Feb 20	#204
That's just punishing the grandchild	AlbertCat	Feb 19	#96
Yes, correct	demwing	Feb 19	#156
but that's not what the OP was referring to.	AlbertCat	Feb 20	#207
My quote was in response to her quote	demwing	Feb 20	#217
Exactly nt	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#136
Well goody goody for you	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#137
if we're celebrating choice then no one should call you anything	leftyohiolib	Feb 19	#151
Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#53
The parents were not wrong to make the girl	avebury	Feb 19	#82
They have to pay her medical bills, house her, clothe her and feed her	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#87
I would like to know why the parents of the boy are not legally	avebury	Feb 19	#94
why the parents of the boy are not legally liable for some of the girl's expenses	AlbertCat	Feb 19	#97
I'm presuming they are responsible for the other half of medical costs	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#105
I'm going to guess that's why they were only ordered to pay half medical	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#98
You keep making such good points!	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#163
very tho0ughtful response, with which I concur	elehhhhna	Feb 19	#113
A teenager has no idea	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#139
The girl does not need a cell phone	avebury	Feb 19	#148
Oh, I was thinking you were saying no phone..	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#154
The parents might be able to get her a cheap cell phone and provide	avebury	Feb 19	#171
I see the young people of today as so much more irresponsible	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#172
Why rent an apartment? Why not just keep her at home?	MADem	Feb 20	#206
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Feb 19	#106
That's not true from what I've read. Do you have a link?	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Feb 19	#117
Not sure any law requires them to pay for her phone or car. Just her food and lodging and health.	McCamy Taylor	Feb 19	#122
Oh agreed. They also have to give her clothing. The car thing is weird.	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#123
Exactly -- Unless she becomes emancipated	obamanut2012	Feb 19	#127
And why I think parents should make the abortion decision	Blue4Texas	Feb 19	#129
Or you can be 100% trying to help and teach your kids, and they just don't give a damn.	loudsue	Feb 19	#70
+1. nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#78
This child is but sixteen.	MADem	Feb 20	#203
Yes, it boggles my mind	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#16
I am sick of the glorification of birth married to a complete absence of responsibility.	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 19	#35
+1000	smirkymonkey	Feb 19	#141
agree 100%	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#158
Thanks nt	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#157
+1.	freshwest	Feb 19	#168
Fifth pregnancy? By the time she's 16?	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#185
No, I only do sarcasm for Republicans, not real people or DUers.	freshwest	Feb 20	#196
I think that's the girl's mother who'd had 4 abortions	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#201
I agree--that would be way past grounds for a visit from Child Protective Services or a	MADem	Feb 20	#208
Thanks, I'll edit. I was going by a post, not the original article. I defer to the court documents.	freshwest	Feb 20	#210
Absolutely.	wisteria	Feb 19	#39
And WHY do her parents have to pay HALF	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#12
She's under 18	leftynyc	Feb 19	#17
So this group should pay for the whole thing	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#23
Fathers dont get a say either...yet are on the hook financially	davidn3600	Feb 19	#28
True to a point, but the father had more to do with creating the pregnancy	wisteria	Feb 19	#43
Well they at least had something to do with it	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#135
So true! n/t	wisteria	Feb 19	#41
Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#51
She doesn't live with them anyway	Marrah_G	Feb 19	#74
Yes, because they, themselves, should hot have had to commit to any parental	ScreamingMeemie	Feb 20	#225
I agree but why didn't they get her some birth control	The Flaming Red Head	Feb 22	#243
Yes, but the parents shouldn't be liable for hospital bills, her transportation etc.	wisteria	Feb 19	#31
Oh yes her parents are legally responsible for her.	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#55
Excellent points nt	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#142
She is 16	TexasBushwhacker	Feb 22	#238
Do children really have "my body my choice"?	alp227	Feb 19	#80
tough question. what if the plaintiff was 12? would DU still be whooping	elehhhhna	Feb 19	#118
Well, at that point the issue is rape, without the cover of "Romeo and Juliet" laws,	MADem	Feb 20	#211
We'd defend a 16 year old boy whose parents tried to force him to get a tattoo	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#186
And who is the judge of when a medical procedure is necessary?	alp227	Feb 20	#197
A doctor is	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#199
Looks like no decision is right at all.	alp227	Feb 20	#202
No, her parents should not get the ultimate decision over her body	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#205
So if parents can't have the ultimate decision, what's the point of parenthood then?	alp227	Feb 20	#209
Parenthood doesn't mean complete control of a child	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#212
Parents force cosmetic procedures on their children all the time without their consent.	riderinthestorm	Feb 20	#219
And I oppose them all	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#221
In the US, Hispanic baby girls very commonly sport pierced ears. Baby Hindu girls with bindis	riderinthestorm	Feb 20	#222
Well, pregnancy isn't illegal.	MADem	Feb 20	#213
thats the truth.	The Flaming Red Head	Feb 22	#241
and anti abortion people will trumpet this as a win for their side	booley	Feb 19	#3
Ironic, isn't it, that when....	Jerry442	Feb 19	#45
They are ProBIRTH	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#57
I am pleased that she will get to exercise her CHOICE. n/t	CaliforniaPeggy	Feb 19	#5
based on what? Some pseudo science spewed by pro-life groups?	wordpix	Feb 19	#101
Agree - really I hope the	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#143
Would you make your 16 year old have an abortion if she didn't want to?	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 19	#153
yes i would - at 16, she had no idea how to take care of herself, much less a baby	wordpix	Feb 20	#183
Forcing people to have abortions because of your opinion of their abilities	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#187
OK, YOU take care of the baby and 16 y.o., then. I don't want to	wordpix	Feb 20	#228
No forcing anyone to do something like that	The Flaming Red Head	Feb 22	#242
i dont understand the 'consequences be damned all that matters is she got her choice'	leftyohiolib	Feb 19	#159
Me too, and I hope she has some real plan for her future	bhikkhu	Feb 19	#160
Very happy that her right to choose was protected	rox63	Feb 19	#7
I agree....	kurtzapril4	Feb 19	#46
Unfortunately when the girl is a minor, the parents are on the hook	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#56
Which is still ironic.	Igel	Feb 19	#116
Agreed. Its odd that neither the parents nor child pursued emancipation	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#121
Many young people are rabidly anti-choice. Something is not right in the education system. n/t	SylviaD	Feb 19	#8
I think polls of shown that most young Americans are socially liberal.	iandhr	Feb 19	#20
This girl is from Texas, so she may be more conservative then most others her age.	alp227	Feb 19	#84
True	iandhr	Feb 19	#131
Sounds like she chose just fine.	Dreamer Tatum	Feb 19	#58
a few things do not add up here - from the original DU post about this case	azurnoir	Feb 19	#9
Looks like the parents were trying to show her some adult responsibility.	Dont call me Shirley	Feb 19	#25
Thank you	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#30
well that is possible but myself I think the whole thing is a steaming pile	azurnoir	Feb 19	#34
They were paying the phone bill, owned the car and, as her parents, could	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 19	#40
they could not withdraw her from school against her will NCLB	azurnoir	Feb 19	#44
Perhaps the grandparents don't live in the same school district?	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 19	#52
that's possible but IMO the antichoicers capitalized on bad blood	azurnoir	Feb 19	#59
Perhaps....	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 19	#65
thatcould well be	azurnoir	Feb 19	#71
Yep.	Sekhmets Daughter	Feb 19	#72
Perhaps she is an	KatyMan	Feb 19	#92
She clearly is not--otherwise, her parents wouldn't be required to pay for her care and car. nt	MADem	Feb 20	#214
Don't know the background, but what you said is completely possible.	Igel	Feb 19	#120
WOOOT! A win for us! Pro-Choice wins! This will make a great precendent!	Katashi_itto	Feb 19	#13
Her body, her choice. The parents couldn't have done that better	SaveAmerica	Feb 19	#15
Odd though she did not live with her parents	azurnoir	Feb 19	#22
According to CNN, the girl lives with her mother	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#188
thanks because we all know CNN is always accurate	azurnoir	Feb 20	#195
It is her choice. And the grandparents and she should	JDPriestly	Feb 19	#18
If the father is still in HS	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#32
The grandparents appear to be supporting this young	JDPriestly	Feb 20	#177
LOL, and her boyfriends fathers mechanic friend..	snooper2	Feb 19	#48
If the 16 year old left her parents home, they owe her NO SUPPORT	happyslug	Feb 19	#162
This seems so topsy turvy..	JDPriestly	Feb 20	#178
I use to deal with Children and Youth and Child placement.	happyslug	Feb 20	#223
Per the article, the girl is living with her mom. And the parents have been ordered to $upport her	riderinthestorm	Feb 20	#224
A parent's legal liability for the acts of their children is limited	happyslug	Feb 21	#231
Ok but that's PA, not TX which does require a judge for emancipation	riderinthestorm	Feb 21	#232
Illinois your limit is $20,000 plus attorney's fees	happyslug	Feb 21	#233
As to emancipation, the Illinois Emancipation of Minors Act has the following sentence:	happyslug	Feb 21	#234
A child cannot simply declare themselves emancipated and voila! Its done	riderinthestorm	Feb 21	#236
Look at Section 2, the last sentence of the second paragraph, it reads as follows:	happyslug	Feb 21	#237
If she want to have the child its her choice.	iandhr	Feb 19	#19
even for juveniles?	alp227	Feb 19	#88
All rights.	Igel	Feb 19	#124
Forced abortions are what happen in dictatorships.	iandhr	Feb 19	#133
But her PARENTS, not government are forcing the abortion.	alp227	Feb 20	#200
So would it also be okay for parents to force a girl	Crunchy Frog	Feb 20	#175
Is it against the law for parents to make such decisions?	alp227	Feb 20	#198
I agree, but requiring the parents to give her a car?	Xithras	Feb 19	#21
Quite a message to teenage girls in Texas huh?	azurnoir	Feb 19	#24
Actually, I thought they agreed to that in some sort of mediation.	NaturalHigh	Feb 19	#134
Very good	bluestateguy	Feb 19	#26
Absolutely	VA_Jill	Feb 19	#38
Choice is one thing, forcing the parents to pay for the choice is another.	wisteria	Feb 19	#47
It's her body, her life, and her choice	rachel1	Feb 19	#29
Then she should make the choice to not use the car, the phone or	wisteria	Feb 19	#36
as I said to my daughter at this age, when you're paying for	wordpix	Feb 19	#107
The parents should not be responsible for anything-it isn't there choice.	wisteria	Feb 19	#33
Is she an emancipated minor? I hadn't seen that. Link? Otherwise they are responsible	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#49
I think she is independant of her parents.	wisteria	Feb 19	#60
Unless she's won a legal emancipation, they are still responsible for her legally	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#63
link she was not living with her parent now or at the time she became pregnant	azurnoir	Feb 19	#62
Oh I agree. This case sucks but the parents are still legally responsible	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#66
The proof is the fact that she wasn't living with her parents and I'll tell you how I know.	notadmblnd	Feb 19	#91
Those cops were wrong. The law is clear, you must follow a legal	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#100
I have no opinion to express about the girl or her parents here.	notadmblnd	Feb 19	#103
Sounds like kind cops who took your side and fudged things.	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#114
It seems an abnormal situation	Yo_Mama	Feb 19	#130
Choice	VA_Jill	Feb 19	#37
Absolutley it's about choice.	Jerry442	Feb 19	#50
Maybe they know their daughter all too well.	wisteria	Feb 19	#54
This sort of thing makes me glad I don't have kids.	DaveJ	Feb 19	#64
Yup. I have a wild teen. Unfortunately I'm experienced nt	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#67
The thing is it's the daughter's choice, which means all the responsibilities of that choice	jeff47	Feb 19	#69
The law makes her parents live with the consequences of that choice	riderinthestorm	Feb 19	#76
Which means nothing.	jeff47	Feb 19	#146
I agree its unfair regardless of the law. And you put your finger right on the heart of the matter	riderinthestorm	Feb 20	#218
Is the father in the picture here?	bluestateguy	Feb 19	#42
His pic is at the link, along with some zombie-like guy.	DollarBillHines	Feb 19	#73
Best not to judge people by their looks	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#192
He wants to marry her	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#190
Forced Support for Grandchildren?	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#68
If a woman can not support herself and her child(ren), the child(ren) should be fostered out or adop	uppityperson	Feb 19	#75
My husband's father and uncle	HockeyMom	Feb 19	#83
I understand this is a minor, but was expanding on what you wrote, trying to clarify.	uppityperson	Feb 19	#89
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Feb 19	#119
Good luck to that teen. I hope if she changes her mind or needs help later she can get help. Choice	uppityperson	Feb 19	#77
This is the best post I've read on this thread.	tammywammy	Feb 20	#229
The parents could have (should have?) petitioned to have her declared an "emancipated minor".	marybourg	Feb 19	#79
The person being "emancipated" has to prove that they can support themselves.	MADem	Feb 20	#215
Not in most states.	happyslug	Feb 21	#235
A family I knew about had a pregnant 15 year old. They made her	Ilsa	Feb 19	#86
1) "Roe" made this her choice. There can be no obligation for her to abort.	OmahaBlueDog	Feb 19	#93
Good.	krispos42	Feb 19	#95
so the parents are forced to raise the baby they don't want to raise	wordpix	Feb 19	#99
why didn't the court mandate any percentage of support from the baby's father??	Blue_Tires	Feb 19	#102
My question. Where is the dad?	McCamy Taylor	Feb 19	#115
He wants to marry the young lady, per CNN. nt	MADem	Feb 20	#216
I saw.	UnseenUndergrad	Feb 20	#230
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Feb 19	#104
apparently you have not experienced dealing with teenage mothers	wordpix	Feb 19	#111
So...you don't want your taxes to support a single mother and baby.	NaturalHigh	Feb 19	#138
actually, if I had my CHOICE, every school would begin in middle school to have a class in	wordpix	Feb 20	#184
I agree with all of that.	NaturalHigh	Feb 20	#226
The only way this should be done is if the teen is also 'emancipated'.	AzDar	Feb 19	#108
Thank YOU!	smirkymonkey	Feb 19	#144
agree nt	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#165
She wins? I don't see any winners here.	Pool Hall Ace	Feb 19	#110
I wonder what the lawsuit was based on	treestar	Feb 19	#112
Curious about how the right wing will cover this. Basically, it means that no one can "punish" their	McCamy Taylor	Feb 19	#125
good points	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#166
It's her life & the baby's life. See how she deals with it.Could go either way.Her body / her choice	judesedit	Feb 19	#126
Hopefully you're right	christx30	Feb 22	#244
Now the kid's a saint for saving her unborn baby.. (which is, of course, her choice)	mountain grammy	Feb 19	#128
Oh yes, I wonder how helpful they will be then.......	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#167
Good	obama2terms	Feb 19	#132
Anyone who thinks the parents should have the authority to force an abortion...	NaturalHigh	Feb 19	#140
So hopefully when the court gets	CC	Feb 19	#147
As I posted somewhere else...	NaturalHigh	Feb 19	#150
The bus service in Houston is horrible. You have to have a car to get anyplace	Manifestor_of_Light	Feb 20	#174
What a brave young woman!	Pterodactyl	Feb 19	#149
I don't see it that way	Tumbulu	Feb 19	#170
But in two years, she won't be a teen. And her child will have a whole life ahead of her!	Pterodactyl	Feb 19	#173
being "pro-choice" means defending THIS choice, too.	Ken Burch	Feb 19	#152
Yes, I am proud to defend both sides of the coin too.	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 19	#155
I am with you.	etherealtruth	Feb 20	#180
Agreed. I guess it's true that some people are pro-abortion...	EastKYLiberal	Feb 20	#182
agreed	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 20	#189
There is something wrong here, this was filed February 11 and the parents had 20 days to respond	happyslug	Feb 19	#164
it's an agreement between the sides	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 20	#194
Thank you for the additional information. (nt)	Nine	Feb 20	#227
I agree with those who've said information is missing from this story.	Nine	Feb 19	#169
The fundies will pick up the tab, wait and see.. I can already see her in her own McMansion and with	secondwind	Feb 20	#176
Norma McCorvey aka "Jane Roe"	TexasBushwhacker	Feb 22	#239
My take on this	Notafraidtoo	Feb 20	#179
At the end of the video report it states that her	avebury	Feb 20	#181
Very tough choice but in the end it was her choice.	Jennicut	Feb 22	#240
Something tells me the girl would've lost her legal battle	pink-o	Feb 20	#191
Here is some more information.	Nine	Feb 20	#193
The girl's parents deny all of the allegations.	riderinthestorm	Feb 20	#220

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