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In the discussion thread: Joe Biden Discounts Semi-Assault Weapons: ‘Buy A Shotgun’ [View all]

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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:14 PM

bossy22 (3,192 posts)

24. double barrel shotgun?

ehh....I'm not so sure about that one. A pump action definately.

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229 replies	Author	Time	Post
Joe Biden Discounts Semi-Assault Weapons: ‘Buy A Shotgun’ [View all]	DonViejo	Feb 19	OP
I find the opposite to be true	Mojorabbit	Feb 19	#1
Sorry but the AR15 should be banned and illegal, ease of use or no. n/t	SylviaD	Feb 19	#3
I was commenting on his assertion.	Mojorabbit	Feb 19	#5
disagree	Deep13	Feb 19	#104
Much as a disagreement should be aimed towards a relevant and stated premise	LanternWaste	Feb 19	#122
Trust me,...	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 19	#126
Some would take away choices while saying that women should not own firearms for self-defense.	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#11
So an AR-15 semi-automatic is now a "woman's right" issue?	Hugabear	Feb 19	#15
Whether you believe yourself to have superior knowledge as to what is best for home defense,	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#25
So what did all those women do during the AWB ban?	Hugabear	Feb 19	#55
I'm sure some purchased semi-auto carbines (AR-15s, AKs, etc.) during the "AWB ban."	Eleanors38	Feb 19	#76
Agree. The ban should not be based upon "looks." Ban all semi-autos, including	Hoyt	Feb 19	#118
Because they're scared?	bitchkitty	Feb 19	#142
Thank you for making the case for the slippery slope...	Eleanors38	Feb 20	#207
I'd be happy to do the psych exam	Shivering Jemmy	Feb 24	#227
In a close neighbor hood an AR15 is one	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#145
You are correct	indie9197	Feb 19	#169
Exactly.	OGKush	Feb 19	#176
yes, IMO there are better weapons	bossy22	Feb 19	#36
I still think he's right	zipplewrath	Feb 19	#20
a standard 18" pump action shotgun will do the trick	bossy22	Feb 19	#26
Yeah, poorly stated	zipplewrath	Feb 19	#34
The police are fighting the same people that you will be fighting if they don't show up	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#151
The youth model takes care of those drawbacks and is legal.	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#53
Horseshit, you need to ame a shotgun if you	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#152
But you don't have to aim an AR-15?	Hugabear	Feb 19	#175
A shot gun has to be aimed at close range just like a rifle.	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#149
A youth model 20 gauge doesn't require a lot of upper body strength and is easier to	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#46
I disagree.	Travis_0004	Feb 19	#98
A light 20 gauge shotgun will kick harder than a	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#153
+1	darkangel218	Feb 19	#81
try a smaller shottie	pasto76	Feb 19	#120
Of course what you WANT is a round moving around the house at 2500 feet per second.....	cliffordu	Feb 19	#135
if you are talking about weight.	timdog44	Feb 19	#157
With due respect, a 20 gauge is easy for anyone to handle.	rhett o rick	Feb 19	#173
Maybe an MS exception?	treestar	Feb 24	#224
Here we go...	Kingofalldems	Feb 19	#2
But what's easier to kill Kindergartners with? nt	onehandle	Feb 19	#4
Not sure.	ag_dude	Feb 19	#6
Sorry, innocent children's right to live trumps your right to own a military grade weapon	Taverner	Feb 19	#14
Is "military grade" the new meme?	hack89	Feb 19	#23
My Kalashnikov is definitely military-grade - and perfectly Constitutional	derby378	Feb 19	#35
Very precious salt for the wounds of twenty dead six year school children.	LanternWaste	Feb 19	#127
You can use those kids as props all you want...	derby378	Feb 20	#185
Here comes the gun-lobby to once again quibble over common-sense terminology	Hugabear	Feb 19	#80
well I guess an AR-15 does not meet that	Duckhunter935	Feb 19	#111
thats still a bad definition	bossy22	Feb 19	#121
AR-15s are a 50 year old design	hack89	Feb 19	#141
If it's "merely" a rifle...	Hugabear	Feb 19	#159
By its truest factual definition it is a rifle	bossy22	Feb 19	#162
Add to that	Duckhunter935	Feb 19	#165
Why don't you ask them?	hack89	Feb 19	#168
A shotgun was used for hunting now	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#155
So you want my deer rifle, eh?	sir pball	Feb 20	#193
Don't pretend to be stupid	Taverner	Feb 20	#205
They are meaningless, made up terms	hack89	Feb 20	#206
So Ruger found a loophole	Taverner	Feb 20	#209
There is nothing uniquely military about semiautomatic weapons.	hack89	Feb 20	#213
what is a military grade weapon?	bossy22	Feb 19	#28
By that logic, should be ban alcohol.	Travis_0004	Feb 19	#101
why the hell not?	frylock	Feb 19	#138
They tried that once before and it	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#156
Logic	treestar	Feb 24	#225
You do not have a "right" to an assault weapon	Hugabear	Feb 19	#17
cough	slackmaster	Feb 19	#31
Show me where that was used by a federal court to strike down the AWB	Hugabear	Feb 19	#60
The AWB evaporated on its own accord, as it was designed to do	slackmaster	Feb 19	#68
And the 2nd Amendment gives Congress the power to REGULATE ownership of firearms	Hugabear	Feb 19	#74
No. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights it limits the power of Congress. Read the preamble.	slackmaster	Feb 19	#83
So then Congress does NOT have the power to regulate firearm ownership at all?	Hugabear	Feb 19	#96
Looks like logic is another one of your not-so-strong subjects	slackmaster	Feb 19	#109
Either Congress can or cannot regulate gun ownership	Hugabear	Feb 19	#161
Of couse Congress can regulate it, based on the Interstate Commerce clause	slackmaster	Feb 19	#163
So Congress absolutely can regulate ownership of assault weapons	Hugabear	Feb 19	#164
They are just smart enough to talk about it but not actually do anything.	hack89	Feb 19	#170
Yes, I'm well aware of the NRA's stranglehold on Congress	Hugabear	Feb 19	#174
It is the voters and not the NRA that concerns Congress	hack89	Feb 20	#183
I've never said anything to the contrary.	slackmaster	Feb 20	#188
Except by "regulate" you seem to mean "prohibit"	sir pball	Feb 20	#194
This message was self-deleted by its author	rhett o rick	Feb 19	#143
At least he didn't shoot you. n/t	bitchkitty	Feb 20	#214
Well, since nobody has got around to defining "assault weapon" in the first place...	derby378	Feb 19	#38
what do your rights have to do with your wants?	frylock	Feb 19	#137
It's a good thing that criminals NEVER use shotguns to commit multiple homicides	slackmaster	Feb 20	#192
With a Shotgun	SCVDem	Feb 19	#7
There's no other sound like a 12ga being racked.	Light House	Feb 19	#9
You don't rack a double-barrel though. NT	NickB79	Feb 19	#19
Well, ya kinda do if you put it in a rack.	Light House	Feb 19	#22
Some have experienced jamming while using Winchester shells -- even with an otherwise reliable 870.	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#30
I didn't know this.	Light House	Feb 19	#32
Rem 870	formercia	Feb 19	#33
Sorry.	Light House	Feb 19	#41
No problem	formercia	Feb 19	#49
quite possibly the best overall home defense weapon	bossy22	Feb 19	#58
Do you mean Remington Model 870? I have 2 of those, among others.	Eleanors38	Feb 19	#85
My mistake.	Light House	Feb 19	#89
Saw it, no problem!	Eleanors38	Feb 19	#102
Thats a Remington 870.	oldbanjo	Feb 19	#158
Thanks.	Light House	Feb 19	#166
I have NEVER understood the fascination with pump shotguns	Xithras	Feb 20	#215
Sounds like a very nice shotgun.	Light House	Feb 20	#219
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.	ManiacJoe	Feb 20	#182
Do YOU feel lucky?	SCVDem	Feb 20	#197
Marines know what they have been trained with.	ManiacJoe	Feb 20	#210
I know I served in the Marines.	SCVDem	Feb 20	#211
"I know I served in the Marines."	ManiacJoe	Feb 20	#212
Thank you for the advice, Elmer Fudd	NickB79	Feb 19	#8
Biden should realize that if a 12ga coachman was better than a pump, the police would be using them.	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#12
Police have lots of weapons that civilians do not need, like AR-15 assault rifles	mwrguy	Feb 19	#37
Logically correct	bossy22	Feb 19	#44
All lethal weapons	mwrguy	Feb 19	#57
The fallacy in your logic is that	bossy22	Feb 19	#61
Very few law abiding citizens have to deal with home invaders	mwrguy	Feb 19	#77
Very few people ever have to deal with a fire in their home	bossy22	Feb 19	#97
In Chicago, cops do not respond to all 911 calls. This includes burglaries, unless a homeowner has	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#119
You're kidding,	Light House	Feb 19	#66
Ban them, then eventually the bad guys won't have any.	mwrguy	Feb 19	#73
You mean like alcohol during prohibition?	Light House	Feb 19	#84
And once we get alcohol off the streets we won't have alcoholics.	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 19	#78
nobody has a physical addiction to assault weapons	mwrguy	Feb 19	#79
You'd never know that by listening to gun-nuts - even here on DU	Hugabear	Feb 19	#82
It's a fetish	mwrguy	Feb 19	#87
that mentality is what is wrong in this whole debate	bossy22	Feb 19	#91
Yep. And they are the ones ....	oldhippie	Feb 20	#201
oh...so its all okay if it's an addiction?	bossy22	Feb 19	#86
addiction is obviously a harder nut to crack than "I want it just because"	mwrguy	Feb 19	#90
so because it's harder we shouldn't do anything about it?	bossy22	Feb 19	#105
Jailing alcoholics is insane	mwrguy	Feb 19	#107
how so?	bossy22	Feb 19	#110
Prohibition was not a matter of physical addiction	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 19	#92
Well, as said by one of the gun-controllers above, they "have to start somewhere."	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#124
Alcoholics or people under the influence	treestar	Feb 24	#226
You realize some of your allies-in-gun-control say "no one is gonna take away your arms."	Eleanors38	Feb 19	#94
I'm with Dianne Feinstein, I'd love to get them all turned in at once, but	mwrguy	Feb 19	#103
If you are like Dianne Feinstein, then you also own a firearm and believe that only the political	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#125
So there you have it: Prohibitionism, even as others say "no one's going to take your guns away."	Eleanors38	Feb 20	#208
I understand your position, even if Feinstein had a license to pack...	Eleanors38	Feb 20	#218
What about AR-15s disqualify them from private ownership?	krispos42	Feb 19	#114
I have a 12 ga. double Hawes coachman	formercia	Feb 19	#39
Plus, he told his wife if there is ever a problem...	indie9197	Feb 20	#220
How exactly is a shotgun easier to aim?	NickB79	Feb 19	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	SCVDem	Feb 19	#13
Yes and no.	formercia	Feb 19	#43
You'd need one HELL of a choke to expand a group more than that poster described.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#88
In my Double there is a lot of difference in group size	formercia	Feb 19	#113
I have never seen a 2 foot spread at 10 feet even from my wife's un-choked	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#116
Wut	mikeypooh	Feb 19	#136
Nothing wrong with the shotgun	formercia	Feb 19	#139
Maybe if it's a rifled slug barrel	sir pball	Feb 20	#195
The shotgun bore is a smooth Cylinder	formercia	Feb 20	#199
That's about the only other explanation	sir pball	Feb 20	#200
If it's not reliable, it doesn't get used.	formercia	Feb 20	#203
Shotgun pellets scatter...	IthinkThereforeIAM	Feb 19	#48
This is not accurate.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#95
My BS Meter just pegged.	formercia	Feb 19	#115
yeah, you have fun with that.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#117
Read it and weep.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#123
Unchoked remington, 12 feet, 3.5" spread, OH I'M FULL OF BS HUH?	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#128
I'm the guy with the Hawes double coach Shotgun	formercia	Feb 19	#131
I also have a double barrel coach gun with the minimum legal length barrel and no choke.	AtheistCrusader	Feb 19	#132
They need better arguments than that	hack89	Feb 19	#16
So arm our soldiers with dbl barrel shotguns, not those useless rifles!	Blandocyte	Feb 19	#18
Biden is discussing Home Defense, not Combat	formercia	Feb 19	#45
Apples and oranges.	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#56
We do	One_Life_To_Give	Feb 20	#198
If I were to get a gun for home...	one_voice	Feb 19	#21
double barrel shotgun?	bossy22	Feb 19	#24
An AR-15 is much easier to use	hack89	Feb 19	#27
Easier to use, not necessarily to stop an intruder in poor light.	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#62
Shot guns need to aimed very carefully	hack89	Feb 19	#140
I don't need the Vice President or anyone else telling me what I need and do not need.	slackmaster	Feb 19	#29
So if you decide that you need a flame-thrower or a bazooka	mwrguy	Feb 19	#42
Since neither of those happen to be regulated items, I will just sit here and laugh at your reply.	slackmaster	Feb 19	#50
Flame throwers and bazookas are legal to own.	Light House	Feb 19	#54
So are assault rifles, doesn't make it right.	mwrguy	Feb 19	#59
Should be.	Light House	Feb 19	#63
flame throwers are weapons of mass murder?	bossy22	Feb 19	#67
And gee, we even had a Constitutional amendment (the 18th) to outlaw booze	derby378	Feb 19	#71
He was asked a question and gave his opinion.	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#65
I'm just responding to the opinion he expressed, as is my right.	slackmaster	Feb 19	#69
And I think yours is thin skinned. So that makes it even.	yellowcanine	Feb 19	#72
Next, Biden advised our men and women in uniform to trade in their rifles for shotguns	derby378	Feb 19	#40
We are capable	SCVDem	Feb 19	#47
Then you're telling me I can have all the 20-round magazines I want?	derby378	Feb 19	#51
No Problem!	SCVDem	Feb 19	#108
Under that reasoning, bring back quill pens and otherwise censor posts on the Internet.	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 19	#130
Exactly!	derby378	Feb 20	#186
How dare the VP have an opinion!!	Kingofalldems	Feb 19	#52
An opinion from the former Senator who pushed for the change in the bankruptcy laws so that	AnotherMcIntosh	Feb 20	#189
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dash87	Feb 19	#64
I've never owned a gun	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Feb 19	#70
Civilians shouldn't be able to own anything stronger than the police have in their caches.	judesedit	Feb 19	#75
that is pretty much the case now	bossy22	Feb 19	#129
Full auto is usually worthless	SCVDem	Feb 19	#133
The posting and subsequent comments are all well and good, but the ignore the fundamental question..	Veilex	Feb 19	#93
Cue the gun know-it-all chorus...	Politicub	Feb 19	#99
Who's thunk it? Joe Biden engenders a debate over the best home-defense firearm!	Eleanors38	Feb 19	#100
What the hell is a "semi assault weapon?"	Deep13	Feb 19	#106
How about I buy the same rifle, but without a pistol grip?	krispos42	Feb 19	#112
no, that will cause brains to explode	Duckhunter935	Feb 19	#134
You make a very good point. We need to outlaw all semi-automatics. Thanks. nm	rhett o rick	Feb 19	#150
Your position is logically consistent.	krispos42	Feb 19	#167
You may be able to dance around the problem but if we can get any of these	rhett o rick	Feb 19	#171
If I really wanted to kill as many people as I could	sir pball	Feb 20	#196
There are an awful lot of guns intended for killing humans in the country	krispos42	Feb 24	#221
Uhm... they also sell wet water, I heard.	2ndAmForComputers	Feb 24	#222
Absolutely	mwrguy	Feb 20	#179
Good for Joe	Progressive dog	Feb 19	#144
From personal experience only	Betsy Ross	Feb 19	#146
Well, that's what I did.	NaturalHigh	Feb 19	#147
I go along with Joe	Pakid	Feb 19	#148
Biden is da man	iandhr	Feb 19	#154
A Mossberg AS-20 Bantam semiauto shotgun is 5.5 lbs and holds 6 shells.	truthisfreedom	Feb 19	#160
Pistols are a pretty good alternative to assault weapons, too.	Pterodactyl	Feb 19	#172
As an alternative, sure.	ManiacJoe	Feb 20	#184
Obama's seccond term...is this what he wants?	quadrature	Feb 19	#177
The thread title sounds likes a sales pitch...	Deep13	Feb 20	#178
A Gun is a Tool No More, No Less	Wolf Frankula	Feb 20	#180
I knew there was a reason he was called Ol' Shotgun Joe. (nt)	harmonicon	Feb 20	#181
Gun people a question:	AngryAmish	Feb 20	#187
Message auto-removed	CharlieVicker	Feb 20	#191
Some debate on this, but buckshot will go through walls...	Eleanors38	Feb 20	#216
subsonic 300 blk with sbr and suppressor stamps is the best HD	ileus	Feb 20	#190
That's gonna be mine ....	oldhippie	Feb 20	#202
Kick this for Joe and all Democrats	Kingofalldems	Feb 20	#204
I kind of agree. Because it was Joe Biden, many folks felt "safe" in discussing some...	Eleanors38	Feb 20	#217
W. Kamau Bell had this on "Totally Biased" last night--hilarious.	TwilightGardener	Feb 24	#223
A double-barrel shotgun?	Beacool	Feb 24	#228
Yes, ban that shit..	and-justice-for-all	Feb 25	#229

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