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In reply to the discussion: Ex-LAPD cop (Dorner) gains sympathizers on social media [View all]ancianita
(35,714 posts)not really trying to insult you and I'm not going to sort the hater labelling out much more than to say this: I admit to interpreting geek's 'murder cheerleader' comment (up or downthread, wherever) to label me a hater. I labeled him a hater for his claims that if I don't see Dorner as any'thing' more than a sick, immoral fuck, then I'm a Dorner "supporter." That's all. Geek's arch outrage over the idea that one might try to understand a murderer, that my criticism of CNN's use of the word "sympathizer" were singling me out as a "supporter" just because he didn't like a phrase like "retributive justice" seeming to legitimize it.
And you also say, in Post #60, " You need to do that, to remove the tag of 'hater' which your current posts pin on you."
You come along and say that the whole thread needs my explanation of "retributive justice," as well. But before I get on with that, hear me: You, geek and others need to lay off people in their attempts to understand this horror through any perspective other than the band wagon's. You re-read his ridiculous interpretations of what I've said and then call me ridiculous?
No attackers here seem to understand that there is a history of retributive justice that includes killing -- not as a standard that I adhere to -- but as one that has been seen as 'purifying,' and somehow doing 'god's work' -- we know it to be Old Testament biblical. I'm an atheist, but my study of it leads me to understand that retributive justice, in the narrow biblical executioner sense, is the "intentional" murder justice that is meted out in capital punishment systems all over this country -- a system that contains judge, jury and executioner. Those systems could be religious, state-sponsored, or simply appropriated by some 'sick fuck' whom you want to have an outrage thread about. But historically, revenge is an ethic and a form of rough justice. You might even think about the famous "Pulp Fiction" scene where the Samuel Jackson character quotes Ezekiel before murdering some drug guys.
If you feel insulted, then you need to lay off the demand for explanation and share, yourself, any proofs that you have that retributive justice is not a "thing." You need to understand that my use of justice as far as I could understand Dorner's use of it is an attempt to locate him away from the usual simple minded attempts at pathologizing him. His situation was not anything like Roeder's or those other killers, either, just because the word "manifesto" has become a pejorative to lump him in with all those who came before.
I'm going to stop here. Peace.