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dipsydoodle

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41. The issue here is not one of anyone apparently supporting the jihadists
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:08 AM
Feb 2013

Its one of understanding the background to that area and Mali in general. The jihadists took advantage of general dissatisfaction by the Tuaregs.

For some history of the northern area see here : The Crisis in Mali: A Historical Perspective on the Tuareg People.

The Tuareg are a people that have lived in northern Mali “as early as the fifth century BCE” [1] according to Herodotus. After establishing the city of Timbuktu in the 11th century, the Tuareg “traded, traveled, and conquered throughout Saharan” over the next four centuries, eventually converting to Islam in the 14th century, which allowed them to “gain great wealth trading salt, gold, and black slaves.” [2] This independence was swept away when the French colonized Mali when they “defeated the Tuareg at Timbuktu and established borders and administrative districts to rule the area until Mali declared independence in 1960.” [3] The Tuareg people have consistently wanted self-independence and in pursuit of such goals have engaged in a number of rebellions.

The first was in 1916 when, in response to the French not giving the Tuareg their own autonomous zone (called Azawad) as was promised, they revolted. The French violently quelled the revolt and “subsequently confiscated important grazing lands while using Tuaregs as forced conscripts and labor – and fragmented Tuareg societies through the drawing of arbitrary boundaries between Soudan [Mali] and its neighbors.”[4]

Yet, this did not end the Tuareg goal of an independent, sovereign state. Once the French had ceded Mali independence, the Tuareg began to push toward their dream of establishing Azawad once again with “several prominent Tuareg leaders [lobbying] for a separate Tuareg homeland consisting of northern Mali and parts of modern day Algeria, Niger, Mauritania. […] [However,] black politicians like Modibo Keita, Mali’s first President, made it clear that independent Mali would not cede its northern territories.” [5]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-crisis-in-mali-a-historical-perspective-on-the-tuareg-people/5321407

The other issue is one of corporate interests in Mali.

Small example here : Malian Farmers Want Their Land Back. http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/09/malian-farmers-want-their-land-back/

The general background to that is that the Malian government appropriated ALL farmland much of which has been turned over to western corporates for the production of sugar largely for the purpose of producing ethanol for export to the west. General unrest there had already caused the SA sugar company to pull out last May leaving really only FL based Schaffer Global Group. The significance of loss of private farmland lies in the absense of shea trees striped from the land for sugar production. Those tree have historically been used by Malian women for what is mainly their sole occupation - production of shea butter for use in the worldwide cosmetics industry.

If anyone thinks that issues in northern Mali, which is the size of Afghanistan, are solved then dream on.

this war criminal is actually bragging about his body count? Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #1
Why is he a war criminal? dbackjon Feb 2013 #2
Apparently yes. Archae Feb 2013 #4
Some DUers are impossible to reason with. cosmicone Feb 2013 #14
And some people recognize that life is more complicated than your simplistic worldview. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #20
Please educate me about what is simplistic cosmicone Feb 2013 #28
Oh lord.... redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #30
ahhhh .... I get it ..... cosmicone Feb 2013 #42
lol. that is quite some logic you have there. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #43
Many things cannot be precisely defined in legal terms cosmicone Feb 2013 #44
now you are accusing me of being for something which you cannot define. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #45
You don't have to say it in so many words. cosmicone Feb 2013 #46
Ah. Anyone who doesn't like your attitude is a terrorist supporter. I get it. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #47
France has rained good deal of terror on Mali Ash_F Feb 2013 #58
Disgusting cheap shot. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #50
So have you reversed it. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #55
is that how this proud mass murderer conducts his press conferences, also? Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #5
Lame attempt at dodging the question. Archae Feb 2013 #6
Lame attempt at asking the question in the first place Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #7
Except here the stuation is far different. Archae Feb 2013 #9
reads just like a press release from the French government Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #11
I'm going to mark that down as a 'yes' answer to Dbackjon's question. Lasher Feb 2013 #8
+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Feb 2013 #15
Amen leftynyc Feb 2013 #29
Anyone who believes a narrative without doing their own research redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #34
Shoo leftynyc Feb 2013 #35
Hey look, we are un-ironically calling posters "ANTI-WESTERN" Ash_F Feb 2013 #37
If you've got another way leftynyc Feb 2013 #40
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #10
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #12
No, it is not nonsense dbackjon Feb 2013 #13
Do you have any actual thoughts of your own on the subject? redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #18
Do you? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #21
I'm not the one who claims to know what is going on. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #22
So you have no knowledge of Mali whatsoever? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #23
I have superficial knowledge, like most people here. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #24
All knowledge is suspect. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #25
That is sort of my point. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #26
How do you know these independent sources aren't actually propaganda? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #27
You don't initially. That is why you need many. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #32
So, apparently, do the vast majority of Mali's citizens cali Feb 2013 #39
The Tuaregs, however, are a bit nervous. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #51
Lol, but you have all the clues yes? redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #19
As opposed to the narrative leftynyc Feb 2013 #31
You are the one putting out a narrative. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #33
al queda leftynyc Feb 2013 #36
I was just wondering where on the .net I could go to get the Pro Islamist viewpoint jzodda Feb 2013 #16
lol n/t cosmicone Feb 2013 #52
+1000 n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #3
Go France !!!!! n/t cosmicone Feb 2013 #17
The French are terrorists onwardsand upwards Feb 2013 #38
The issue here is not one of anyone apparently supporting the jihadists dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #41
Forget it. Learning about background is soo pro-terrorist of you. redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #48
Irony /sarcasm noted dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #49
Unbelievable that any DU'ers would prefer AQIM to French intervention independentpiney Feb 2013 #53
Hacking off people's hands and feet is a bad thing. Lasher Feb 2013 #54
In some ways just as bad as dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #56
3 strikes is bad law but there is no equivalency independentpiney Feb 2013 #57
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