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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
117. Oh, there's no need to tweak the definition of terrorist.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:53 PM
Feb 2013

Because, again, the Constitution doesn't apply outside US jurisdiction. The only thing protecting Greenpeace activists in the open ocean is we signed some treaties regarding "the law of the sea".

Absent those protections, there would be nothing preventing any President from torpedoing their ships at his whim.

Focusing On The NRA - More Guns Won't Help Americans Against A Drone Strike cantbeserious Feb 2013 #1
Please state one case when drones have been used against American citizens on US soil. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #73
To kill? Not just yet, but I'm not holding my breath. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #92
What will stop it now? Waitwhat Feb 2013 #94
With The Recent Knowledge That Any American Can Be So Targeted, It Is Only A Matter Of Time cantbeserious Feb 2013 #131
On the news tonight...against the wacko survivalist kidnapper... pkdu Feb 2013 #152
Can't. It's a secret strike. Like a secret prison. Secret. Shhhhh. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #159
No need to worry. The government would never attack an American citizen with its firepower. dkf Feb 2013 #2
You mean, except for the American named Anwar al-Awlaki? TheProgressive Feb 2013 #6
Or, more generally . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #8
yeah, that's all he was, a guy with some disagreeable points of view arely staircase Feb 2013 #174
He was "suspected" . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #175
apart from violating any criminal statute arely staircase Feb 2013 #176
A, "belligerent enemy military," really? another_liberal Feb 2013 #177
al quaeda is not a military organization? arely staircase Feb 2013 #178
"Al Qaeda" is not . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #179
so what the US Marshalls should have gone to Tora Bora and served warrants? arely staircase Feb 2013 #180
Those individuals had actively taken up arms . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #181
that is reasonable and point taken about civilian casualties arely staircase Feb 2013 #182
Fair enough . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #183
Well they sure have tortured some. I guess you can classify me as a lunatic. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #12
Should have added the sarcasm thingy. dkf Feb 2013 #13
Sorry. I should have seen that. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #15
When it comes to Al Qaeda operatives/seditious "Americans" making war on us while kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #74
kestrel, not to get too technical, but I don't think Osama has been alive for a long, long time. Th1onein Feb 2013 #91
You think the Obama administration faked Osama's death? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #98
I really don't know. Maybe they killed someone they THOUGHT was Osama. Th1onein Feb 2013 #132
Not militant...I'd have to stop laughing, first. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #138
That was real nice. Thanks. Th1onein Feb 2013 #151
Look who is now in control of the secrets Zedadiah Feb 2013 #168
Yes, I have heard of Occams Razor. Th1onein Feb 2013 #171
Americans are protected by the Constitution and the Amendments thereto against amandabeech Feb 2013 #135
Bin Laden isn't an American citizen. dkf Feb 2013 #136
I saw that. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #16
“Senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida. Also if you violate the terms of service on any web site. Scuba Feb 2013 #3
Oh but these desperate times call for desperate, extra-judicial, measures. We've had roughly... Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #31
Interesting... Zedadiah Feb 2013 #169
"If they are believed to be . . ." another_liberal Feb 2013 #4
The judicial process has been outsourced to Yemen. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #23
Wonder how many on the right dgibby Feb 2013 #5
It astounds me Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #9
What loss of freedom? jeff47 Feb 2013 #20
It is not what we stand for as a country. It never has been. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #22
or Occupy dgibby Feb 2013 #49
Occupy is within US jurisdiction jeff47 Feb 2013 #118
Oh, there's no need to tweak the definition of terrorist. jeff47 Feb 2013 #117
A citizen of this country should be guaranteed due process. Period. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #146
And how do you plan to do that if said citizen is in Somalia? jeff47 Feb 2013 #153
You defend the indefensible. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #155
I am not defending what you think I'm defending jeff47 Feb 2013 #156
Yes they are. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #158
The Fifth Amendment Hissyspit Feb 2013 #35
How does the Fifth Amendment apply to a enemy combatant who is non-custodial? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #99
You added "enemy combatant." Hissyspit Feb 2013 #120
You were speaking of Anwar Awlaki, right? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2013 #127
I was speaking about "rights for Americans." Hissyspit Feb 2013 #128
What rights do you think Americans abroad have? Particularly those who send PETN msanthrope Feb 2013 #140
The same ones they have here. Especially when the violation of their rights originates Hissyspit Feb 2013 #161
No. Please do not travel without clarifying this. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #165
So we need to rescue any Americans arrested in France? jeff47 Feb 2013 #113
Message auto-removed Bo Didley Feb 2013 #47
The Constitution's protections doesn't relate to geography. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #48
Neither does jurisdiction jeff47 Feb 2013 #115
Message auto-removed Bo Didley Feb 2013 #45
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #46
Dude you are supposed to keep those in Meta.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #77
This is something that the right and left should be united against. woo me with science Feb 2013 #53
Lot o' Legal Wiggle Room. Octafish Feb 2013 #7
A government ceases to be legitimate..... DeSwiss Feb 2013 #10
And 99.99% of us have nothing to worry about... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #11
Any actual number for that bold assertion? mbperrin Feb 2013 #14
Yeah, fuck the occasional innocent person. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #33
What part of the memo do you disagree with? Be specific. msanthrope Feb 2013 #44
You keep adding stuff to your demands of me that aren't part of the original argument. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #122
Didn't read the memo, then? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #124
My response wasn't about the memo. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #126
Legally, Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were both innocent men. Xithras Feb 2013 #72
Legally, they were not. As members of Al Qaeda--self-proclaimed members of Al Qaeda msanthrope Feb 2013 #96
Legally they were. Xithras Feb 2013 #107
Osama Bin Laden was innocent? Deserved a trial? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #110
Nice dodge. I'm not falling for it. Xithras Feb 2013 #111
No-- I can't see the difference. You have two members of Al Qaeda, actively msanthrope Feb 2013 #112
smh Xithras Feb 2013 #133
Thank you, Xithras, for your patient and intelligent posts on this topic. n/t amandabeech Feb 2013 #134
American citizenship isn't a shield...in fact, I would ask why you thought American citizens had msanthrope Feb 2013 #137
Nothing but dodges. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #123
What about the 16 year old American teen with them? onpatrol98 Feb 2013 #157
http://www.hackadrone.com triplepoint Feb 2013 #17
It ain't gonna happen. Who would even consider arming themselves. Here. On DU. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #18
"broader concept of imminence?" More like "broader concept of eminence"... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #19
Obama = Bush Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #21
I don't get into the member politics around here... Socal31 Feb 2013 #25
Save you "righteousness" for the newbies. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #26
Well, I guess you have me there. Socal31 Feb 2013 #28
Sure thing. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #29
Thank you Arctic Dave! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #39
He isn't saying he is above the law. In fact, he's made a compelling case that msanthrope Feb 2013 #42
Within the law? Are you kidding? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #54
No--I'm not kidding. Cite specifically in the memo what you find unlawful. msanthrope Feb 2013 #55
Here is the problem with the memo as I read it now. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #56
What? You think Al Qaeda is a strawman? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #97
AQ is a vague bogeyman we use to justify Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #102
AQAP is no vague boogeyman. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was no figment of anyone's msanthrope Feb 2013 #106
Eleven years, billions wasted and you got three examples. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #114
No--I've got plenty more. But if you think Al Qaeda is a strawman, then no amount of examples msanthrope Feb 2013 #116
Why did he kill him, why not bring him alive? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #119
Kill who? Awlaki? Because capture was not feasible. And, as the judge in his msanthrope Feb 2013 #121
Either OBL or Awlaki. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #129
Forgive me, but did you miss Fort Hood, the PETN bombs, the BA airlines plot, the Timms attack, the msanthrope Feb 2013 #139
Ft Hood was AQ? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #141
Fort Hood? Yes. Awlaki was in contact with the shooter. As for the BA bomb plot, I am msanthrope Feb 2013 #142
I am unable to find a link to the ft hood shooter and AA. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #143
Of course. The "google" broke--- msanthrope Feb 2013 #144
Thank you for the links Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #145
Bush's lawyers made the compelling case that torture is within the law Doctor_J Feb 2013 #62
Bush's lawyers did not make a compelling case. Kindly cite which part of the Yoo memo msanthrope Feb 2013 #69
Thank you. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #51
President Obama never said that he was above the law Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #58
When you pervert the rule of law to allow yourself unconstitutional powers I would Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #60
The memo gives the legal justification Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #64
Seems there are several people that agree with me, including the ACLU. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #66
The ALCU isn't always right Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #68
And state sponsored killing of people without trial never is. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #71
So, should we have served Osama bin Laden with a subpoena rather than killing him? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #75
I would have much rather have seen him on trial. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #79
At what cost of life to US service members? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #81
Hmmm, what would have taken longer then dragging a dead body to crashed helicopter. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #84
It sure would have been nice choie Feb 2013 #83
Osama bin Laden was not a US citizen Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #89
I kept thinking someone would point out that OBL was not a US citizen long before 89 posts! riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #101
I would much sooner trust choie Feb 2013 #80
So, you would trust President Obama more if he had different minions? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #82
I think he did say he was 'in front' of the law, when he explained that coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #147
In some ways, this subject makes me miss Shrub. Xithras Feb 2013 #67
Better stated then I could do. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #70
In a way it's understandable. Xithras Feb 2013 #78
well said, Xithras choie Feb 2013 #85
This thread is very discouraging Doctor_J Feb 2013 #103
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #148
Succinct. 1,000,00 Recs. if I could, ty. n/t Melinda Feb 2013 #162
Really? Rex Feb 2013 #166
How many countries has Obama bombed? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #170
Oh please Obama and Bush are not alike Rex Feb 2013 #172
No. I will state it right here. Deal with it. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #173
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #24
We'd better wake up, folks. loudsue Feb 2013 #27
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2013 #30
This sounds like the kind joelz Feb 2013 #32
Yes. Obama has embraced the national security state. amandabeech Feb 2013 #57
Yep. that's why no president ever indicts his predecessors Doctor_J Feb 2013 #63
"dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects" PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #34
More Police State apparatii are coming: blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #36
Yep, it's getting dystopian out there... woo me with science Feb 2013 #59
I fear it will be too late once the collective outrage catches up to the abuses Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #100
So, snot Feb 2013 #37
Support our Oops! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #149
Kick nt Hissyspit Feb 2013 #38
The government is not infallible Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #40
Terrifying....to say the least. marmar Feb 2013 #41
Having read the white paper, I can tell you that this was an Administration leak. msanthrope Feb 2013 #43
Adding a link to Abovethelaw.com mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2013 #50
K&R Have we had enough yet? woo me with science Feb 2013 #52
Here I thought that John Yoo was an aberration Doctor_J Feb 2013 #61
forget due process by law just blow them up lovuian Feb 2013 #65
At least we aren't torturing them Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #76
Will the GOP use this to impeach President Obama? n/t Pryderi Feb 2013 #86
DU would be calling for IMPEACHMENT if GWB did this. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #90
... woo me with science Feb 2013 #104
You may not post often, but you post well. Melinda Feb 2013 #163
a “broader concept of imminence” means fear, plain and simple.... mike_c Feb 2013 #87
Technical note: while Bush may have called his doctrine 'preemptive' (legal under coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #150
Take note on who is defending this garbage. U4ikLefty Feb 2013 #88
This is disgusting Waitwhat Feb 2013 #93
Oy. A dangerous continuation of a dangerous precedent Recursion Feb 2013 #95
And somewhere in an exclusive suburban Dallas gated community Leslie Valley Feb 2013 #105
So you must also think Waitwhat Feb 2013 #109
Holy mackerel. Wait Wut Feb 2013 #130
I voted for someone else Waitwhat Feb 2013 #154
Extra-judicial executions R Us! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #108
In the end, you have a President going into Congress, accusing enemies of being "associated forces", grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #160
Brilliant analogy. Melinda Feb 2013 #164
Actually ... Nihil Feb 2013 #167
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