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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. What loss of freedom?
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:05 AM
Feb 2013

Could you point out where the Constitution specifies any rights for Americans when they are outside US jurisdiction?

Focusing On The NRA - More Guns Won't Help Americans Against A Drone Strike cantbeserious Feb 2013 #1
Please state one case when drones have been used against American citizens on US soil. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #73
To kill? Not just yet, but I'm not holding my breath. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #92
What will stop it now? Waitwhat Feb 2013 #94
With The Recent Knowledge That Any American Can Be So Targeted, It Is Only A Matter Of Time cantbeserious Feb 2013 #131
On the news tonight...against the wacko survivalist kidnapper... pkdu Feb 2013 #152
Can't. It's a secret strike. Like a secret prison. Secret. Shhhhh. grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #159
No need to worry. The government would never attack an American citizen with its firepower. dkf Feb 2013 #2
You mean, except for the American named Anwar al-Awlaki? TheProgressive Feb 2013 #6
Or, more generally . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #8
yeah, that's all he was, a guy with some disagreeable points of view arely staircase Feb 2013 #174
He was "suspected" . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #175
apart from violating any criminal statute arely staircase Feb 2013 #176
A, "belligerent enemy military," really? another_liberal Feb 2013 #177
al quaeda is not a military organization? arely staircase Feb 2013 #178
"Al Qaeda" is not . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #179
so what the US Marshalls should have gone to Tora Bora and served warrants? arely staircase Feb 2013 #180
Those individuals had actively taken up arms . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #181
that is reasonable and point taken about civilian casualties arely staircase Feb 2013 #182
Fair enough . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #183
Well they sure have tortured some. I guess you can classify me as a lunatic. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #12
Should have added the sarcasm thingy. dkf Feb 2013 #13
Sorry. I should have seen that. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #15
When it comes to Al Qaeda operatives/seditious "Americans" making war on us while kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #74
kestrel, not to get too technical, but I don't think Osama has been alive for a long, long time. Th1onein Feb 2013 #91
You think the Obama administration faked Osama's death? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #98
I really don't know. Maybe they killed someone they THOUGHT was Osama. Th1onein Feb 2013 #132
Not militant...I'd have to stop laughing, first. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #138
That was real nice. Thanks. Th1onein Feb 2013 #151
Look who is now in control of the secrets Zedadiah Feb 2013 #168
Yes, I have heard of Occams Razor. Th1onein Feb 2013 #171
Americans are protected by the Constitution and the Amendments thereto against amandabeech Feb 2013 #135
Bin Laden isn't an American citizen. dkf Feb 2013 #136
I saw that. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #16
“Senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida. Also if you violate the terms of service on any web site. Scuba Feb 2013 #3
Oh but these desperate times call for desperate, extra-judicial, measures. We've had roughly... Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #31
Interesting... Zedadiah Feb 2013 #169
"If they are believed to be . . ." another_liberal Feb 2013 #4
The judicial process has been outsourced to Yemen. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #23
Wonder how many on the right dgibby Feb 2013 #5
It astounds me Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #9
What loss of freedom? jeff47 Feb 2013 #20
It is not what we stand for as a country. It never has been. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #22
or Occupy dgibby Feb 2013 #49
Occupy is within US jurisdiction jeff47 Feb 2013 #118
Oh, there's no need to tweak the definition of terrorist. jeff47 Feb 2013 #117
A citizen of this country should be guaranteed due process. Period. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #146
And how do you plan to do that if said citizen is in Somalia? jeff47 Feb 2013 #153
You defend the indefensible. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #155
I am not defending what you think I'm defending jeff47 Feb 2013 #156
Yes they are. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #158
The Fifth Amendment Hissyspit Feb 2013 #35
How does the Fifth Amendment apply to a enemy combatant who is non-custodial? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #99
You added "enemy combatant." Hissyspit Feb 2013 #120
You were speaking of Anwar Awlaki, right? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2013 #127
I was speaking about "rights for Americans." Hissyspit Feb 2013 #128
What rights do you think Americans abroad have? Particularly those who send PETN msanthrope Feb 2013 #140
The same ones they have here. Especially when the violation of their rights originates Hissyspit Feb 2013 #161
No. Please do not travel without clarifying this. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #165
So we need to rescue any Americans arrested in France? jeff47 Feb 2013 #113
Message auto-removed Bo Didley Feb 2013 #47
The Constitution's protections doesn't relate to geography. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #48
Neither does jurisdiction jeff47 Feb 2013 #115
Message auto-removed Bo Didley Feb 2013 #45
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #46
Dude you are supposed to keep those in Meta.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #77
This is something that the right and left should be united against. woo me with science Feb 2013 #53
Lot o' Legal Wiggle Room. Octafish Feb 2013 #7
A government ceases to be legitimate..... DeSwiss Feb 2013 #10
And 99.99% of us have nothing to worry about... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #11
Any actual number for that bold assertion? mbperrin Feb 2013 #14
Yeah, fuck the occasional innocent person. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #33
What part of the memo do you disagree with? Be specific. msanthrope Feb 2013 #44
You keep adding stuff to your demands of me that aren't part of the original argument. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #122
Didn't read the memo, then? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #124
My response wasn't about the memo. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #126
Legally, Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were both innocent men. Xithras Feb 2013 #72
Legally, they were not. As members of Al Qaeda--self-proclaimed members of Al Qaeda msanthrope Feb 2013 #96
Legally they were. Xithras Feb 2013 #107
Osama Bin Laden was innocent? Deserved a trial? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #110
Nice dodge. I'm not falling for it. Xithras Feb 2013 #111
No-- I can't see the difference. You have two members of Al Qaeda, actively msanthrope Feb 2013 #112
smh Xithras Feb 2013 #133
Thank you, Xithras, for your patient and intelligent posts on this topic. n/t amandabeech Feb 2013 #134
American citizenship isn't a shield...in fact, I would ask why you thought American citizens had msanthrope Feb 2013 #137
Nothing but dodges. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #123
What about the 16 year old American teen with them? onpatrol98 Feb 2013 #157
http://www.hackadrone.com triplepoint Feb 2013 #17
It ain't gonna happen. Who would even consider arming themselves. Here. On DU. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #18
"broader concept of imminence?" More like "broader concept of eminence"... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #19
Obama = Bush Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #21
I don't get into the member politics around here... Socal31 Feb 2013 #25
Save you "righteousness" for the newbies. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #26
Well, I guess you have me there. Socal31 Feb 2013 #28
Sure thing. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #29
Thank you Arctic Dave! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #39
He isn't saying he is above the law. In fact, he's made a compelling case that msanthrope Feb 2013 #42
Within the law? Are you kidding? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #54
No--I'm not kidding. Cite specifically in the memo what you find unlawful. msanthrope Feb 2013 #55
Here is the problem with the memo as I read it now. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #56
What? You think Al Qaeda is a strawman? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #97
AQ is a vague bogeyman we use to justify Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #102
AQAP is no vague boogeyman. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was no figment of anyone's msanthrope Feb 2013 #106
Eleven years, billions wasted and you got three examples. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #114
No--I've got plenty more. But if you think Al Qaeda is a strawman, then no amount of examples msanthrope Feb 2013 #116
Why did he kill him, why not bring him alive? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #119
Kill who? Awlaki? Because capture was not feasible. And, as the judge in his msanthrope Feb 2013 #121
Either OBL or Awlaki. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #129
Forgive me, but did you miss Fort Hood, the PETN bombs, the BA airlines plot, the Timms attack, the msanthrope Feb 2013 #139
Ft Hood was AQ? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #141
Fort Hood? Yes. Awlaki was in contact with the shooter. As for the BA bomb plot, I am msanthrope Feb 2013 #142
I am unable to find a link to the ft hood shooter and AA. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #143
Of course. The "google" broke--- msanthrope Feb 2013 #144
Thank you for the links Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #145
Bush's lawyers made the compelling case that torture is within the law Doctor_J Feb 2013 #62
Bush's lawyers did not make a compelling case. Kindly cite which part of the Yoo memo msanthrope Feb 2013 #69
Thank you. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #51
President Obama never said that he was above the law Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #58
When you pervert the rule of law to allow yourself unconstitutional powers I would Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #60
The memo gives the legal justification Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #64
Seems there are several people that agree with me, including the ACLU. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #66
The ALCU isn't always right Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #68
And state sponsored killing of people without trial never is. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #71
So, should we have served Osama bin Laden with a subpoena rather than killing him? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #75
I would have much rather have seen him on trial. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #79
At what cost of life to US service members? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #81
Hmmm, what would have taken longer then dragging a dead body to crashed helicopter. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #84
It sure would have been nice choie Feb 2013 #83
Osama bin Laden was not a US citizen Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #89
I kept thinking someone would point out that OBL was not a US citizen long before 89 posts! riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #101
I would much sooner trust choie Feb 2013 #80
So, you would trust President Obama more if he had different minions? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #82
I think he did say he was 'in front' of the law, when he explained that coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #147
In some ways, this subject makes me miss Shrub. Xithras Feb 2013 #67
Better stated then I could do. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #70
In a way it's understandable. Xithras Feb 2013 #78
well said, Xithras choie Feb 2013 #85
This thread is very discouraging Doctor_J Feb 2013 #103
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #148
Succinct. 1,000,00 Recs. if I could, ty. n/t Melinda Feb 2013 #162
Really? Rex Feb 2013 #166
How many countries has Obama bombed? Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #170
Oh please Obama and Bush are not alike Rex Feb 2013 #172
No. I will state it right here. Deal with it. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #173
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #24
We'd better wake up, folks. loudsue Feb 2013 #27
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2013 #30
This sounds like the kind joelz Feb 2013 #32
Yes. Obama has embraced the national security state. amandabeech Feb 2013 #57
Yep. that's why no president ever indicts his predecessors Doctor_J Feb 2013 #63
"dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects" PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #34
More Police State apparatii are coming: blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #36
Yep, it's getting dystopian out there... woo me with science Feb 2013 #59
I fear it will be too late once the collective outrage catches up to the abuses Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #100
So, snot Feb 2013 #37
Support our Oops! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #149
Kick nt Hissyspit Feb 2013 #38
The government is not infallible Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #40
Terrifying....to say the least. marmar Feb 2013 #41
Having read the white paper, I can tell you that this was an Administration leak. msanthrope Feb 2013 #43
Adding a link to Abovethelaw.com mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2013 #50
K&R Have we had enough yet? woo me with science Feb 2013 #52
Here I thought that John Yoo was an aberration Doctor_J Feb 2013 #61
forget due process by law just blow them up lovuian Feb 2013 #65
At least we aren't torturing them Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #76
Will the GOP use this to impeach President Obama? n/t Pryderi Feb 2013 #86
DU would be calling for IMPEACHMENT if GWB did this. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #90
... woo me with science Feb 2013 #104
You may not post often, but you post well. Melinda Feb 2013 #163
a “broader concept of imminence” means fear, plain and simple.... mike_c Feb 2013 #87
Technical note: while Bush may have called his doctrine 'preemptive' (legal under coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #150
Take note on who is defending this garbage. U4ikLefty Feb 2013 #88
This is disgusting Waitwhat Feb 2013 #93
Oy. A dangerous continuation of a dangerous precedent Recursion Feb 2013 #95
And somewhere in an exclusive suburban Dallas gated community Leslie Valley Feb 2013 #105
So you must also think Waitwhat Feb 2013 #109
Holy mackerel. Wait Wut Feb 2013 #130
I voted for someone else Waitwhat Feb 2013 #154
Extra-judicial executions R Us! - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #108
In the end, you have a President going into Congress, accusing enemies of being "associated forces", grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #160
Brilliant analogy. Melinda Feb 2013 #164
Actually ... Nihil Feb 2013 #167
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