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In the discussion thread: EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department Memo Reveals Legal Case for Drone Strikes on Americans [View all]

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:01 PM

Canuckistanian (42,210 posts)

9. It astounds me

How the RWnuts bemoan their "loss of freedom", but never pay attention to ACTUAL losses of freedom such as this.

Do they not understand that govt. drone strikes trump AR-15 weapons every time it's tried?

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183 replies	Author	Time	Post
EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department Memo Reveals Legal Case for Drone Strikes on Americans [View all]	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	OP
Focusing On The NRA - More Guns Won't Help Americans Against A Drone Strike	cantbeserious	Feb 2013	#1
Please state one case when drones have been used against American citizens on US soil.	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#73
To kill? Not just yet, but I'm not holding my breath.	Fire Walk With Me	Feb 2013	#92
What will stop it now?	Waitwhat	Feb 2013	#94
With The Recent Knowledge That Any American Can Be So Targeted, It Is Only A Matter Of Time	cantbeserious	Feb 2013	#131
On the news tonight...against the wacko survivalist kidnapper...	pkdu	Feb 2013	#152
Can't. It's a secret strike. Like a secret prison. Secret. Shhhhh.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2013	#159
No need to worry. The government would never attack an American citizen with its firepower.	dkf	Feb 2013	#2
You mean, except for the American named Anwar al-Awlaki?	TheProgressive	Feb 2013	#6
Or, more generally . . .	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#8
yeah, that's all he was, a guy with some disagreeable points of view	arely staircase	Feb 2013	#174
He was "suspected" . . .	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#175
apart from violating any criminal statute	arely staircase	Feb 2013	#176
A, "belligerent enemy military," really?	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#177
al quaeda is not a military organization?	arely staircase	Feb 2013	#178
"Al Qaeda" is not . . .	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#179
so what the US Marshalls should have gone to Tora Bora and served warrants?	arely staircase	Feb 2013	#180
Those individuals had actively taken up arms . . .	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#181
that is reasonable and point taken about civilian casualties	arely staircase	Feb 2013	#182
Fair enough . . .	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#183
Well they sure have tortured some. I guess you can classify me as a lunatic. nm	rhett o rick	Feb 2013	#12
Should have added the sarcasm thingy.	dkf	Feb 2013	#13
Sorry. I should have seen that. nm	rhett o rick	Feb 2013	#15
When it comes to Al Qaeda operatives/seditious "Americans" making war on us while	kestrel91316	Feb 2013	#74
kestrel, not to get too technical, but I don't think Osama has been alive for a long, long time.	Th1onein	Feb 2013	#91
You think the Obama administration faked Osama's death? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#98
I really don't know. Maybe they killed someone they THOUGHT was Osama.	Th1onein	Feb 2013	#132
Not militant...I'd have to stop laughing, first. nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#138
That was real nice. Thanks.	Th1onein	Feb 2013	#151
Look who is now in control of the secrets	Zedadiah	Feb 2013	#168
Yes, I have heard of Occams Razor.	Th1onein	Feb 2013	#171
Americans are protected by the Constitution and the Amendments thereto against	amandabeech	Feb 2013	#135
Bin Laden isn't an American citizen.	dkf	Feb 2013	#136
I saw that.	Eleanors38	Feb 2013	#16
“Senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida. Also if you violate the terms of service on any web site.	Scuba	Feb 2013	#3
Oh but these desperate times call for desperate, extra-judicial, measures. We've had roughly...	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#31
Interesting...	Zedadiah	Feb 2013	#169
"If they are believed to be . . ."	another_liberal	Feb 2013	#4
The judicial process has been outsourced to Yemen. nt	OnyxCollie	Feb 2013	#23
Wonder how many on the right	dgibby	Feb 2013	#5
It astounds me	Canuckistanian	Feb 2013	#9
What loss of freedom?	jeff47	Feb 2013	#20
It is not what we stand for as a country. It never has been.	Mojorabbit	Feb 2013	#22
or Occupy	dgibby	Feb 2013	#49
Occupy is within US jurisdiction	jeff47	Feb 2013	#118
Oh, there's no need to tweak the definition of terrorist.	jeff47	Feb 2013	#117
A citizen of this country should be guaranteed due process. Period. nt	Mojorabbit	Feb 2013	#146
And how do you plan to do that if said citizen is in Somalia?	jeff47	Feb 2013	#153
You defend the indefensible.	Mojorabbit	Feb 2013	#155
I am not defending what you think I'm defending	jeff47	Feb 2013	#156
Yes they are.	Mojorabbit	Feb 2013	#158
The Fifth Amendment	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#35
How does the Fifth Amendment apply to a enemy combatant who is non-custodial? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#99
You added "enemy combatant."	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#120
You were speaking of Anwar Awlaki, right? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#125
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#127
I was speaking about "rights for Americans."	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#128
What rights do you think Americans abroad have? Particularly those who send PETN	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#140
The same ones they have here. Especially when the violation of their rights originates	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#161
No. Please do not travel without clarifying this. nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#165
So we need to rescue any Americans arrested in France?	jeff47	Feb 2013	#113
Message auto-removed	Bo Didley	Feb 2013	#47
The Constitution's protections doesn't relate to geography.	Glaug-Eldare	Feb 2013	#48
Neither does jurisdiction	jeff47	Feb 2013	#115
Message auto-removed	Bo Didley	Feb 2013	#45
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service	Glaug-Eldare	Feb 2013	#46
Dude you are supposed to keep those in Meta..	snooper2	Feb 2013	#77
This is something that the right and left should be united against.	woo me with science	Feb 2013	#53
Lot o' Legal Wiggle Room.	Octafish	Feb 2013	#7
A government ceases to be legitimate.....	DeSwiss	Feb 2013	#10
And 99.99% of us have nothing to worry about...	EastKYLiberal	Feb 2013	#11
Any actual number for that bold assertion?	mbperrin	Feb 2013	#14
Yeah, fuck the occasional innocent person.	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#33
What part of the memo do you disagree with? Be specific.	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#44
You keep adding stuff to your demands of me that aren't part of the original argument.	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#122
Didn't read the memo, then? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#124
My response wasn't about the memo.	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#126
Legally, Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were both innocent men.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#72
Legally, they were not. As members of Al Qaeda--self-proclaimed members of Al Qaeda	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#96
Legally they were.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#107
Osama Bin Laden was innocent? Deserved a trial? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#110
Nice dodge. I'm not falling for it.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#111
No-- I can't see the difference. You have two members of Al Qaeda, actively	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#112
smh	Xithras	Feb 2013	#133
Thank you, Xithras, for your patient and intelligent posts on this topic. n/t	amandabeech	Feb 2013	#134
American citizenship isn't a shield...in fact, I would ask why you thought American citizens had	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#137
Nothing but dodges.	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#123
What about the 16 year old American teen with them?	onpatrol98	Feb 2013	#157
http://www.hackadrone.com	triplepoint	Feb 2013	#17
It ain't gonna happen. Who would even consider arming themselves. Here. On DU.	Eleanors38	Feb 2013	#18
"broader concept of imminence?" More like "broader concept of eminence"...	Eleanors38	Feb 2013	#19
Obama = Bush	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#21
I don't get into the member politics around here...	Socal31	Feb 2013	#25
Save you "righteousness" for the newbies.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#26
Well, I guess you have me there.	Socal31	Feb 2013	#28
Sure thing.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#29
Thank you Arctic Dave!	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#39
He isn't saying he is above the law. In fact, he's made a compelling case that	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#42
Within the law? Are you kidding?	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#54
No--I'm not kidding. Cite specifically in the memo what you find unlawful.	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#55
Here is the problem with the memo as I read it now.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#56
What? You think Al Qaeda is a strawman? nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#97
AQ is a vague bogeyman we use to justify	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#102
AQAP is no vague boogeyman. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was no figment of anyone's	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#106
Eleven years, billions wasted and you got three examples.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#114
No--I've got plenty more. But if you think Al Qaeda is a strawman, then no amount of examples	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#116
Why did he kill him, why not bring him alive?	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#119
Kill who? Awlaki? Because capture was not feasible. And, as the judge in his	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#121
Either OBL or Awlaki.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#129
Forgive me, but did you miss Fort Hood, the PETN bombs, the BA airlines plot, the Timms attack, the	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#139
Ft Hood was AQ?	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#141
Fort Hood? Yes. Awlaki was in contact with the shooter. As for the BA bomb plot, I am	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#142
I am unable to find a link to the ft hood shooter and AA.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#143
Of course. The "google" broke---	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#144
Thank you for the links	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#145
Bush's lawyers made the compelling case that torture is within the law	Doctor_J	Feb 2013	#62
Bush's lawyers did not make a compelling case. Kindly cite which part of the Yoo memo	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#69
Thank you. nt	woo me with science	Feb 2013	#51
President Obama never said that he was above the law	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#58
When you pervert the rule of law to allow yourself unconstitutional powers I would	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#60
The memo gives the legal justification	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#64
Seems there are several people that agree with me, including the ACLU.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#66
The ALCU isn't always right	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#68
And state sponsored killing of people without trial never is.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#71
So, should we have served Osama bin Laden with a subpoena rather than killing him?	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#75
I would have much rather have seen him on trial.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#79
At what cost of life to US service members?	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#81
Hmmm, what would have taken longer then dragging a dead body to crashed helicopter.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#84
It sure would have been nice	choie	Feb 2013	#83
Osama bin Laden was not a US citizen	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#89
I kept thinking someone would point out that OBL was not a US citizen long before 89 posts!	riderinthestorm	Feb 2013	#101
I would much sooner trust	choie	Feb 2013	#80
So, you would trust President Obama more if he had different minions?	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#82
I think he did say he was 'in front' of the law, when he explained that	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2013	#147
In some ways, this subject makes me miss Shrub.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#67
Better stated then I could do.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#70
In a way it's understandable.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#78
well said, Xithras	choie	Feb 2013	#85
This thread is very discouraging	Doctor_J	Feb 2013	#103
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2013	#148
Succinct. 1,000,00 Recs. if I could, ty. n/t	Melinda	Feb 2013	#162
Really?	Rex	Feb 2013	#166
How many countries has Obama bombed?	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#170
Oh please Obama and Bush are not alike	Rex	Feb 2013	#172
No. I will state it right here. Deal with it.	Arctic Dave	Feb 2013	#173
K&R. nt	OnyxCollie	Feb 2013	#24
We'd better wake up, folks.	loudsue	Feb 2013	#27
K&R	Solly Mack	Feb 2013	#30
This sounds like the kind	joelz	Feb 2013	#32
Yes. Obama has embraced the national security state.	amandabeech	Feb 2013	#57
Yep. that's why no president ever indicts his predecessors	Doctor_J	Feb 2013	#63
"dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects"	PufPuf23	Feb 2013	#34
More Police State apparatii are coming:	blkmusclmachine	Feb 2013	#36
Yep, it's getting dystopian out there...	woo me with science	Feb 2013	#59
I fear it will be too late once the collective outrage catches up to the abuses	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#100
So,	snot	Feb 2013	#37
Support our Oops! - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2013	#149
Kick nt	Hissyspit	Feb 2013	#38
The government is not infallible	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#40
Terrifying....to say the least.	marmar	Feb 2013	#41
Having read the white paper, I can tell you that this was an Administration leak.	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#43
Adding a link to Abovethelaw.com	mahatmakanejeeves	Feb 2013	#50
K&R Have we had enough yet?	woo me with science	Feb 2013	#52
Here I thought that John Yoo was an aberration	Doctor_J	Feb 2013	#61
forget due process by law just blow them up	lovuian	Feb 2013	#65
At least we aren't torturing them	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#76
Will the GOP use this to impeach President Obama? n/t	Pryderi	Feb 2013	#86
DU would be calling for IMPEACHMENT if GWB did this.	NOVA_Dem	Feb 2013	#90
...	woo me with science	Feb 2013	#104
You may not post often, but you post well.	Melinda	Feb 2013	#163
a “broader concept of imminence” means fear, plain and simple....	mike_c	Feb 2013	#87
Technical note: while Bush may have called his doctrine 'preemptive' (legal under	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2013	#150
Take note on who is defending this garbage.	U4ikLefty	Feb 2013	#88
This is disgusting	Waitwhat	Feb 2013	#93
Oy. A dangerous continuation of a dangerous precedent	Recursion	Feb 2013	#95
And somewhere in an exclusive suburban Dallas gated community	Leslie Valley	Feb 2013	#105
So you must also think	Waitwhat	Feb 2013	#109
Holy mackerel.	Wait Wut	Feb 2013	#130
I voted for someone else	Waitwhat	Feb 2013	#154
Extra-judicial executions R Us! - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2013	#108
In the end, you have a President going into Congress, accusing enemies of being "associated forces",	grahamhgreen	Feb 2013	#160
Brilliant analogy.	Melinda	Feb 2013	#164
Actually ...	Nihil	Feb 2013	#167

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