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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
72. That's one way to look at it
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:31 PM
Feb 2013

I remember several years ago, when I was a boy of 17, I made the comment to my best friend that, "Soldiers are killers who get paid for it." I look back on that today and think of it as ridiculously ignorant. His Father had served in Vietnam, both of my Grandfathers had served during World War II. My Father's Father saw combat against the Japanese in Okajima (SP?) and from all accounts it was a brutal hell on earth.

I think one question to ask ourselves, is why people sign up for military service in the first place. There is no longer a draft, so for the most part those serving are doing so because they wanted to. Do you think they sign up to get a taste of combat? For the rush of adrenaline and the thrill of battle? Perhaps, it could be wondered, are they there for the sadistic purpose of killing their fellow human beings in such a situation that it is rewarded rather than punished?

There are many thoughts, for and against. Primarily, it is my belief that our armed service members generally serve out of what they feel is a deep obligation to their Country and their families. It's not that the idea of combat thrills them, that they WANT to run around getting shot at... more, it is that they don't want others to have to. They don't want to face a future in which we might become a deeply oppressed Nation under the rule of tyrants. They want their children to be able say they grew up in a land of opportunity, of freedom and safety.

Is it immoral to defend one's own life? Is it murder to shoot an enemy combatant, who, if circumstances were reversed, would gladly pull the trigger on you? I guess we could go around in circles with that question for quite some time. The fact of the matter is that humanity in general is no where near evolved enough (socially) to do away with war. Until that becomes the case (which I believe it inevitably will, at some point in the future) it is both necessary and right to be prepared to protect what we have. Even if, at times, it requires acts of violence and war.

If a sniper had killed Hitler during the height of World War II, people all over the world would today praise him and call him a hero.

I'm not inclined to (nor am I knowledgeable enough to) judge the moral character of the man killed here. What I will say though, is that if not for him, it might have been you or I doing the sniping.

I have a deep respect and gratitude for those that risk their lives and their futures so that I (and many others) may not have to. For them to kill in service of their Country may be murder to you, but to me, in the vast majority of cases (though not all) it is a demonstration of how much they will sacrifice for their Nation. Their innocence, their minds, their futures with family and friends, their homes.

That is Sad in so Many Ways - Not Just for the Two Killed... dballance Feb 2013 #1
Just horrible ... DakotaLady Feb 2013 #2
this is so sad and illustrates that more guns did not make that situation safer CreekDog Feb 2013 #3
As mentioned above, tragic for all. wake.up.america Feb 2013 #4
Devastating. k&r Claybrains Feb 2013 #5
more details on incident & parties involved..... Justitia Feb 2013 #6
I was only able to read a portion of the article. Ugh. Claybrains Feb 2013 #10
Yeah, the comments are straight outta Crazytown Justitia Feb 2013 #13
Message auto-removed homerunner Feb 2013 #34
welcome to DU grantcart Feb 2013 #36
Deeply sad development 1983law Feb 2013 #7
If only someone at the gun range had a gun, and there'd been armed guards posted at the gun range... DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #8
Perfect. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2013 #9
You watch. This will turn into a conspiracy. That's the go-to position of the NRA. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2013 #20
Taking someone with severe PTSD to a gun range sylvi Feb 2013 #11
The article doesn't say he brought the shooter to the range, just that they were both there. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #16
I was going by sylvi Feb 2013 #21
If he brought Routh to the range, then it was a tragic lapse in judgement. DRoseDARs Feb 2013 #17
Live by the sword, die by the sword... eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #12
+ 1 SoapBox Feb 2013 #15
+2 Not Me Feb 2013 #39
It is a karmic truth. earthside Feb 2013 #45
Yea it's sad but bullets don't discriminate rightsideout Feb 2013 #14
Perfect example of the addage... ReRe Feb 2013 #18
Message auto-removed homerunner Feb 2013 #29
Went on a Google hunt re: the shooter and found some really nasty blogs and sites. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2013 #19
I guess counseling just wasn't his calling. bluedigger Feb 2013 #22
video of Chris Kyle 2 wks ago at gun show Justitia Feb 2013 #23
Check out the comments , what a bunch of crazies, saying Obama is behind this JI7 Feb 2013 #24
A photo of him from the Second Battle of Fallujah in Iraq KoKo Feb 2013 #28
Message auto-removed homerunner Feb 2013 #31
And the number of kills probably has more to do with Iraqi's inability to fight back Ash_F Feb 2013 #38
oh my god are you completely out of your scope here pasto76 Feb 2013 #41
Thanks for sharing your "scope" /nt Ash_F Feb 2013 #42
The Iraqis killed 4,000 of YOUR troops? You should have put them someplace safer. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #50
"Your Troops" wow major ego here... Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #53
There is something horribly wrong with that picture NickB79 Feb 2013 #40
How many innocents did he kill? earthside Feb 2013 #46
Snipers A Little Weird Feb 2013 #49
I doubt he was indiscrimanant in doing his job in the service. Nika Feb 2013 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Feb 2013 #59
Thanks, I'll look for this incident to check out what exactly happened. Nika Feb 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Feb 2013 #61
I've seen Special Forces men fight then make up, much like any other brothers would do in a family. Nika Feb 2013 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Feb 2013 #64
I know it's neither here nor there, but... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #77
By by loudmouthed asshole (Kyle). Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Feb 2013 #57
Anyone hit the "irony" button yet? There is more to this story than we know right now. kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #25
Is it me, or did he contradict himself at least six times in the first minute of this interview? nt kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #26
Brilliant. They were dealing with PTSD by going shooting. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #27
I could have sworn that I read that in the first NYT article that I found underpants Feb 2013 #51
That was in at least one news report linked to MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #55
Gun culture is aberrant to start with. Throw in PTSD to the situation and here are the results. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #30
Gun CULTure jpak Feb 2013 #32
WAR Culture is the breeder... askeptic Feb 2013 #65
People who oppose background checks for mental illness... Crowman1979 Feb 2013 #33
very sad. btw he was well armed so that fing argument didn't save him samsingh Feb 2013 #35
I was at a shooting range in the Dallas area at the same time as this. Ash_F Feb 2013 #37
A horrible but not surprisng tragedy amuse bouche Feb 2013 #43
As always, may the odds be in your favor underpants Feb 2013 #44
Why does this donco Feb 2013 #47
What a shame. eom uppityperson Feb 2013 #52
Gun-love and common sense cannot co-exist in the human brain Dems to Win Feb 2013 #54
Message auto-removed deven8703 Feb 2013 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Feb 2013 #56
Things you never hear people say: "I had a forty year career taking PTSD sufferers to the shooting Dems to Win Feb 2013 #62
He died doing what he loved...fondling a gun Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #66
The irony Amaya Feb 2013 #67
That's one way to look at it davidthegnome Feb 2013 #72
The vast vast VAST majority... sendero Feb 2013 #78
I don't disagree davidthegnome Feb 2013 #80
I do not.. sendero Feb 2013 #81
It's threads like this that define hypocrisy to the maximum BellaLuna Feb 2013 #68
Message auto-removed deven8703 Feb 2013 #69
Earlier today . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #71
Oh no, of course not! I wish my OP had a better title. Justitia Feb 2013 #73
Thanks . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #74
Reap what you sow. smknz Feb 2013 #75
I Suspect RobinA Feb 2013 #76
RIP, Sailor. Fair winds and following seas. Blandocyte Feb 2013 #79
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