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grantcart

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36. the lethality of the weapon is the only point
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:30 AM
Feb 2013

It goes to the lack of intellectual honesty of gun 'enthusiasts' that they try to obfuscate into technical discussions of weaponry.

If current weapons had the lethality of a musket then there would be no discussion.

Everything flows from the increased efficiency of the kill count by the minute.

Nothing shows this clearer than the bizarre



A lot of things can be considered lethal. A firearm used as a club can be just as lethal as one used to fire projectiles.



Try and beat 10 people to death within a minute.

This is why talking to gun 'enthusiasts' is like talking to a child.

Lethality doesn't mean that something can be lethal but how many people can be killed in rapid succession.

But this is, typically, how discussion degenerates among gun 'enthusiasts', which is not to be confused with gun owners. I meet with about 300 hundred law enforcement individuals in their homes in a year. Virtually none of them are 'enthusiasts'. They don't have guns displayed, they have every weapon secured, and while some may actually enjoy the target range almost none of them put it into the 'ten most interesting' things that they do. They don't obsess about their guns, they don't have gun fetishes and they don't go on the internets trying to pick fights with people who are sick of living in a country that has this level of violence.

By the way I lived overseas for 20 years and spent a lot of time with gun owners overseas, especially in Switzerland where, as you know, there is a gun in almost every house, and they think you 'enthusiasts' are fucking nuts (that's their words). At that time they had to keep their ammunition under seal and every year present it to the police to account for all of the times that they discharged their weapons, oh and the Swiss equivalent to the NRA has no problems with all of the regulations.
And it's a totally LEGAL one! albear Feb 2013 #1
some people here Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #4
If they are its simply because they get lost in the semantics of the complex merchandising grantcart Feb 2013 #12
Reducing the discussion to a question of "is it lethal or not" is inaccurate, lazy, geckosfeet Feb 2013 #31
the lethality of the weapon is the only point grantcart Feb 2013 #36
On that only point, we differ in opinion. nt geckosfeet Feb 2013 #38
it's a lot easier with a shotgun rapturedbyrobots Feb 2013 #52
No shotgun holds ten rounds. JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #60
Plenty of shotguns hold 10 rounds rapturedbyrobots Feb 2013 #64
Just the ones who want to insure we never have another pocoloco Feb 2013 #25
Aren't assault weapons also legal? David__77 Feb 2013 #5
They are, and they're going to stay legal derby378 Feb 2013 #39
Repeal the 2nd amendment, then they can be easily made illegal along with many more guns. nt SylviaD Feb 2013 #45
How do you propose to do that? NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #46
Fortunately? Yes fortunately our streets are flooded with assault weapons & handguns. Thanks. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #54
We had the 2nd before the streets were flooded Blandocyte Feb 2013 #55
But it seems repealing is "off the table" to the Democratic establishment. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #57
Are we kidding? Is this really necessary? Ok, is the president a REAL American now? mountain grammy Feb 2013 #2
because the Washington Post 'fact-checkers' have been casting doubt muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #7
"The guest" might have been Cheney, who was teaching B.O. how to shoot safely Blandocyte Feb 2013 #56
He already said he goes shooting all the time marshall Feb 2013 #15
Hmmm BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #3
Tuck Crepuscular Feb 2013 #6
So funny. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #8
Can you just imagine VA_Jill Feb 2013 #9
Kick Lasher Feb 2013 #10
Black man with a gun!!! Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #11
Awful low aim for skeet shooting michigandem58 Feb 2013 #13
That's what it look like. n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #14
You don't target shoot with a shotgun NickB79 Feb 2013 #30
Skeet Birther rumor Major Nikon Feb 2013 #47
Fox News Caption: Obama prepares to personally confiscate your guns. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #16
Obama has last word just like with Birth Certificate flap wishlist Feb 2013 #17
Why take so long to release it? OGKush Feb 2013 #18
?? janx Feb 2013 #19
Why? To satisfy the mouth breathing morons leftynyc Feb 2013 #51
So by the White House released the photo to satisfy the right? OGKush Feb 2013 #65
No - they released it leftynyc Feb 2013 #66
Fake as JFK's moon landing Ash_F Feb 2013 #20
I could care less for a photo of the President firing a gun. Agony Feb 2013 #21
No, he is not shooting to low and other nonsense OldRedneck Feb 2013 #22
i have to disagree about the venting reducing recoil energumen Feb 2013 #29
Considering the terrain in that area - the range might be sloped? Like shooting down a ski slope? hexola Feb 2013 #34
It wouldn't be sloped any more than any other skeet range Major Nikon Feb 2013 #48
Thanks for the explanation of this sport. Nika Feb 2013 #49
There is one thing wrong with this photo OldRedneck Feb 2013 #23
I beg to differ. janx Feb 2013 #24
It's not Cheney... HuskyOffset Feb 2013 #26
Hahaha thats funny darkangel218 Feb 2013 #27
Last pic I saw of him... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #41
Wow! rightsideout Feb 2013 #28
livin proof..................... roosterpack Feb 2013 #32
This Thread Is "Livin' Proof".... Paladin Feb 2013 #33
No, the coolest president would've shot over his shoulder with a mirror, Annie Oakley style. Bucky Feb 2013 #43
Now that's funny right there... JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #61
I thought his second term was going to be free from pandering Doctor_J Feb 2013 #35
I don't recall any such promises. /nt Ash_F Feb 2013 #37
It was an overriding theme among the DU New Dems during the campaign Doctor_J Feb 2013 #58
I know, I was there. Ash_F Feb 2013 #59
I find this picture somewhat disquieting. Is this some appeal to NRA types? What? n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #40
Of course not. People demanded to see proof, so he showed it. Bucky Feb 2013 #42
I find it humorous slackmaster Feb 2013 #44
Like when he slapped down Trump on the birth certificate JohnnyRingo Feb 2013 #50
Seems relatively meaningless Franker65 Feb 2013 #53
O crap, now all of the "friends of skeets" are going to get their panties in a twist. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #62
If I were shooting I would have to learn to shoot left handed also. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #63
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