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In reply to the discussion: White House releases photo of Obama firing gun [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)36. the lethality of the weapon is the only point
It goes to the lack of intellectual honesty of gun 'enthusiasts' that they try to obfuscate into technical discussions of weaponry.
If current weapons had the lethality of a musket then there would be no discussion.
Everything flows from the increased efficiency of the kill count by the minute.
Nothing shows this clearer than the bizarre
A lot of things can be considered lethal. A firearm used as a club can be just as lethal as one used to fire projectiles.
Try and beat 10 people to death within a minute.
This is why talking to gun 'enthusiasts' is like talking to a child.
Lethality doesn't mean that something can be lethal but how many people can be killed in rapid succession.
But this is, typically, how discussion degenerates among gun 'enthusiasts', which is not to be confused with gun owners. I meet with about 300 hundred law enforcement individuals in their homes in a year. Virtually none of them are 'enthusiasts'. They don't have guns displayed, they have every weapon secured, and while some may actually enjoy the target range almost none of them put it into the 'ten most interesting' things that they do. They don't obsess about their guns, they don't have gun fetishes and they don't go on the internets trying to pick fights with people who are sick of living in a country that has this level of violence.
By the way I lived overseas for 20 years and spent a lot of time with gun owners overseas, especially in Switzerland where, as you know, there is a gun in almost every house, and they think you 'enthusiasts' are fucking nuts (that's their words). At that time they had to keep their ammunition under seal and every year present it to the police to account for all of the times that they discharged their weapons, oh and the Swiss equivalent to the NRA has no problems with all of the regulations.
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If they are its simply because they get lost in the semantics of the complex merchandising
grantcart
Feb 2013
#12
Reducing the discussion to a question of "is it lethal or not" is inaccurate, lazy,
geckosfeet
Feb 2013
#31
Repeal the 2nd amendment, then they can be easily made illegal along with many more guns. nt
SylviaD
Feb 2013
#45
Fortunately? Yes fortunately our streets are flooded with assault weapons & handguns. Thanks. n/t
SylviaD
Feb 2013
#54
Are we kidding? Is this really necessary? Ok, is the president a REAL American now?
mountain grammy
Feb 2013
#2
because the Washington Post 'fact-checkers' have been casting doubt
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2013
#7
"The guest" might have been Cheney, who was teaching B.O. how to shoot safely
Blandocyte
Feb 2013
#56
Considering the terrain in that area - the range might be sloped? Like shooting down a ski slope?
hexola
Feb 2013
#34
No, the coolest president would've shot over his shoulder with a mirror, Annie Oakley style.
Bucky
Feb 2013
#43
I find this picture somewhat disquieting. Is this some appeal to NRA types? What? n/t
SylviaD
Feb 2013
#40
O crap, now all of the "friends of skeets" are going to get their panties in a twist.
yellowcanine
Feb 2013
#62