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In the discussion thread: Biden says gun curbs won’t end mass killings [View all]

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:14 PM

Bonobo (20,839 posts)

27. Why do you think America is SO different from the rest of the world?

In order to believe that removing guns from America (largely) is so impossible, you must have some near magical belief in America's uniqueness?

Failing that, you can only conclude that America is errant in its gun-acceptance and that it should be corrected.

Political beliefs change -through effort. Not long ago, America had an active Communist Party with millions of members. Now such a thing is inconceivable.

No, I am not in fantasy land. But you are stubbornly in the land of self-fulfilling prophecy.

The will is not there now, I admit. But to say it can never be there is foolish given the scale of change one sees possible in a relatively short amount of time AND given the state of gun accessibility in the rest of the world.

America is not special but I can see why some people may come to believe that.

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74 replies	Author	Time	Post
Biden says gun curbs won’t end mass killings [View all]	DonViejo	Jan 2013	OP
Well, there you are. May as well reject them.	mac56	Jan 2013	#1
End, no. Decrease, yes. Decrease the body count, definitely	Warpy	Jan 2013	#2
Certainly the proposals so far won't "end" them, but it will help reduce them a lot.	PSPS	Jan 2013	#3
Assumes facts not in evidence	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#9
Whatever. I don't even know what "this" is.	PSPS	Jan 2013	#10
Let's find out, shall we?	randome	Jan 2013	#11
Let's try things that address root causes first? High probability of success	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#13
He's probably right, but it will reduce the gun violence and over	Laurian	Jan 2013	#4
Hah...news?.....or Gungeon fodder?...nt	pkdu	Jan 2013	#5
So, VP Biden has been watching the Gungeon for hiz analysis?	Eleanors38	Jan 2013	#30
Are you accusing our Democratic Vice President Joeseph Biden of	pkdu	Jan 2013	#38
Well, in New Orleans anything is possible.	Eleanors38	Jan 2013	#41
The type of gun is much less important	Recursion	Jan 2013	#6
The sad part is talk of "bans" has caused firearms of all types to fly off gun store shelves. ...	spin	Jan 2013	#12
Look, idiots will part with their cash one way or another. Fact of life.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#53
Sadly true. (n/t)	spin	Feb 2013	#70
it will save some lives, however..	frylock	Jan 2013	#7
Why do you think that?	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#15
how long do you suppose james holmes had his 100 rd mag?	frylock	Jan 2013	#17
Ten years?	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#18
how many of those are changing hands?	frylock	Feb 2013	#45
millions	Crepuscular	Feb 2013	#66
i'm not living under any illusion..	frylock	Feb 2013	#67
I don't think that the vice-President	Crepuscular	Feb 2013	#68
Combine what Biden says....	ReRe	Jan 2013	#8
Theory: Hand-helds give us intense individuation in an era of blow it out celebrity.	Eleanors38	Jan 2013	#33
I'm a dummy...	ReRe	Jan 2013	#42
Don't watch/play either. I'm suggesting that Inet/innerTube cimmunication..	Eleanors38	Jan 2013	#43
I wish my doctor would LET me get ripped...	ReRe	Feb 2013	#44
Sometimes that's what it takes. Consider my notion...	Eleanors38	Feb 2013	#47
Biden is right	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#14
Of course they would.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#16
Of course they won't.	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#19
Let me restate.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#20
Huge difference	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#21
Doesn't take that much energy and it is a necessary antidote to the bullshit claim often made	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#22
It may make you feel good	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#23
Take away the guns and most of the killings stop. It is not complex.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#24
It's not complex	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#25
Why do you think America is SO different from the rest of the world?	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#27
Ironic	Crepuscular	Jan 2013	#34
I can live with the notion that HST would have disagreed with me. nt	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#36
what do you think dr. thompson's take on military-style semi-autos with 30 rd mags would be?	frylock	Feb 2013	#46
Considering he shot guns for fun	hack89	Feb 2013	#52
LoL!	Crepuscular	Feb 2013	#64
So how do you do it?	Ter	Jan 2013	#28
Most people. But that is irrelevant.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#29
It's all speculation	Ter	Jan 2013	#31
Talk about crazy ass, wild-eyes speculation!	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#35
And in your world, gun owners don't vote?	NickB79	Feb 2013	#48
If we only pursued policies that were popular with conservatives, WE	Bonobo	Feb 2013	#49
Well sure. Buy low and sell high, and you get rich	Recursion	Feb 2013	#55
To pass an admendment to remove the second, you need 3/4ths of the states to approve it.	Travis_0004	Jan 2013	#32
You're no fun. Jeeez...	Eleanors38	Jan 2013	#37
Yes he is.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#40
Can't do it right now.	Bonobo	Jan 2013	#39
Anyone with 2 brain cells..	sendero	Jan 2013	#26
Biden gives us a blinding flash of the obvious	Blandocyte	Feb 2013	#50
And DUI laws don't stop all drunk driving deaths.	JoePhilly	Feb 2013	#51
SO we should repeal them. Heck I haven't seen murder laws work for that matter.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#54
DUI laws work. Banning alcohol didn't	Recursion	Feb 2013	#56
It's a pity there is no equivalent of a drivers license to lose.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#57
It is. We should change that	Recursion	Feb 2013	#58
Registration was the NRA bogeyman in the 80's and 90's.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#60
I didn't say register guns. I said license gun and ammo purchasers	Recursion	Feb 2013	#61
But registering either is enough to identify who has what.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#71
Not really. Imagine cars were unregistered.	Recursion	Feb 2013	#72
If I were to decide to grab all the cars, I have a list of where to start.	Pholus	Feb 2013	#73
Also, as basic as this sounds, cars are large	Recursion	Feb 2013	#74
How can you claim they work if people still die as a result of drunk drivers?????	JoePhilly	Feb 2013	#59
Sigh	Recursion	Feb 2013	#62
In concert with very strict mental health guidelines, it will certainly help	marshall	Feb 2013	#63
And he's right--they won't.	Arkana	Feb 2013	#65
Kind of a pointless waste of breath	primavera	Feb 2013	#69

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