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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
225. Sorry that's just ridiculous
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:30 AM
Jan 2013

You contributed to the violence only if your purchase is related to those violent elements. And in the post of yours that I originally responded to, you said the reason you wouldn't smoke it was you didn't want to contribute to that violence, which to me was an indictment on pot smokers as contributing to that violence, which in some cases would be true, others not. I would think mostly not. You threw out an unsourced 66% which may or may not have any relation to reality, I don't know how anyone could tabulate such stats since most such sales would never be seen. I don't care to get into an argument about more or less than half, I'm just supporting whatever percentage has no relation to that chain of violence you speak of, which is certainly significant and those people should not be tarnished as contributing to something to which they have absolutely no connection.

As I said above, the gun argument you made is more relevant, IMO. The pot issue struck me as a poor comparison, that's all, and it still does. Not that it really matters to the discussion of this OP.

Repeal the second amendment NOW CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #1
Yes to this^^^^^^Every person who owns a gun owns this girls death! Walk away Jan 2013 #6
Writers who abuse hyperbole deserve to be taken out and shot. slackmaster Jan 2013 #16
No, put them on the confiscation team. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #24
Lots of responses from the Gun Lobby. Even one that wants to shoot me! Walk away Jan 2013 #32
Honestly MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #46
Please look up the word 'hyperbole' eom Maeve Jan 2013 #47
Since I don't own or advocate the use of guns.... Walk away Jan 2013 #65
And now I'm sorry I voted to let your post stand eom Maeve Jan 2013 #85
So, you ADMIT that reply #6 was an abuse of hyperbole. slackmaster Jan 2013 #116
Not at all. Every gun owner has done his or her part in supporting and contributing to.... Walk away Jan 2013 #139
The fact is, that every time you spend a dollar, you vote with that dollar. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #173
while you responded by making a death threat BainsBane Feb 2013 #246
Same to those who believe a non-consequential and visceral reaction is part and parcel... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #75
Tasteless. caseymoz Jan 2013 #122
interesting what outages you BainsBane Jan 2013 #232
Sad. Walk away Feb 2013 #243
No^^^^^^to this. nick of time Jan 2013 #19
What you own is irrelevant to a Constitutional argument. caseymoz Jan 2013 #141
Huh? nick of time Jan 2013 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author caseymoz Jan 2013 #151
Every dollar you spend is a vote for the world you want to live in. So, being a gun owner... dorksied Jan 2013 #226
I see you have enjoyed your stay; greiner3 Jan 2013 #170
So far, yes. nick of time Jan 2013 #172
Your post is one of the reasons that sensible whistler162 Jan 2013 #21
That's a bit over the top MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #23
Yeah, but try alerting on it. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #33
Hate much? Are you a liberal with a free pass to hate? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #28
Grow up. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #98
If growing up is to approximate your status, I'll stick with my condition. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #114
While his post was somewhat juvenile, I support his position. Guns are a disease. dorksied Jan 2013 #227
Just another opinion.nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #237
I own her death? Papagoose Jan 2013 #30
I guess I'm responsible for every person killed by a drunk driver Bonduel Jan 2013 #64
coming out of the woodwork now Skittles Jan 2013 #230
Or maybe it's your fault for living in a country with a 2nd amendment. dkf Jan 2013 #71
One may only imagine then the area surrounding Sandy Hook ES was rampant with gang problems... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #87
That one was not fixable unless someone who knew him turned him in as a threat. dkf Jan 2013 #157
Fact is, if the gangs were operating out in the open, in a upper class white area, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #179
I bet that is true. dkf Jan 2013 #180
This ^^^^^ strikes me as illogical Blandocyte Jan 2013 #76
No. Everyone who smokes pot owns this girl's death guardian Jan 2013 #156
For real, but the pot smokers will need to take a break from Blandocyte Jan 2013 #159
Sadly, you do have a point. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #161
It ain't Chronic in those chambers BudHardener Jan 2013 #181
You are confusing the issue. Glassunion Jan 2013 #197
Agree with the last bit, only... BudHardener Jan 2013 #200
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Glassunion Jan 2013 #202
Not sure I agree with that dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #207
What you think, and what is reality differ from each other. Glassunion Jan 2013 #220
Sorry that's just ridiculous dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #225
No blood spilled when ya grow your own meds BudHardener Jan 2013 #208
I never mentioned "grow your own". Glassunion Jan 2013 #221
The last I heard this poor child was shot by a bullet. Every single company that... Walk away Feb 2013 #244
+1 patrice Jan 2013 #166
Laying blame on the innocent is a despicable guilt tactic davidthegnome Jan 2013 #239
Thank you ellie Jan 2013 #43
REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL! Say it again and again. SylviaD Jan 2013 #66
You say repeal, nick of time Jan 2013 #81
Repeal the 2nd Amendment? MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #82
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #96
You are most likely correct. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #101
They'd be an insurgency Hayabusa Jan 2013 #129
You mean like Iraq and Afghanistan? nick of time Jan 2013 #136
Continually insulting one's opponents typically doesn't get one very far. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #155
I'm not a gun owner or a fan of guns in general... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #100
Yup MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #105
I thought the purpose of guns were to protect you. caseymoz Jan 2013 #146
That is the most likely outcome. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #153
All I could say is . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #245
Please name 38 states whose legislatures could be persuaded to agree slackmaster Jan 2013 #84
Fucking A. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #95
Gun Humpers DainBramaged Jan 2013 #113
Absolutely -Society Should Not Be Held Hostage By Fear cantbeserious Jan 2013 #119
Ain't gonna happen and here is why.. BudHardener Jan 2013 #178
No need to repeal. Just do away with the creative interpretation of it. PSPS Jan 2013 #183
That would REALLY show those drug gangs who's boss. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #192
The city of Chicago already has super-strict gun-control Ter Jan 2013 #206
I'm at a lack of words for this one, sooo totally F'en senseless. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
Incredibly sad. It wouldn't be surprising to learn she was targeted because she geek tragedy Jan 2013 #3
It wouldn't surprise me to learn she was targeted by a gun nut intheflow Jan 2013 #13
Seriously? MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #25
you're serious? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #29
Really? nick of time Jan 2013 #34
That's just plain wacky n/t RZM Jan 2013 #240
Doubtful, though possible MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #14
It's my belief that this poor girl was killed for the very reason you state. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #31
Nope. She was just one person amongst many in one of those marching bands. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #79
Guns and esteem issues BudHardener Jan 2013 #185
Chicago has more than its share of fucked up, violent people for some reason slackmaster Jan 2013 #4
It is predominantly due to the resurgence of gangs frazzled Jan 2013 #26
lead poisoning leads to lead flying mopinko Jan 2013 #54
Leaded gasoline fumes? KamaAina Jan 2013 #70
that lead is still everywhere. and that is just about right. gang leaders are in their 30's and 40's mopinko Jan 2013 #176
So violent crime should be on the way out soon KamaAina Jan 2013 #177
statistics say it is. mopinko Jan 2013 #184
Prisons are bursting at the seams KamaAina Jan 2013 #189
Many of our large cities, and small ones, have problems with gang violence. amandabeech Jan 2013 #27
Change the economic cliamate and... rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #58
Haven't we had gangs since revolutionary times? derby378 Jan 2013 #63
Remember "Gangs of New York?" amandabeech Jan 2013 #68
Never mind the 19th century, the Romans had street gangs. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #233
Gangs since Neanderthal BudHardener Jan 2013 #186
That's a bit of a strecth derby378 Jan 2013 #187
You mean Banks? Big Pharma? War in Iraq? BudHardener Jan 2013 #190
It's a 'sense of belonging'. Most people thrive on being a part of something. Blanks Jan 2013 #205
Lots more decent jobs would help so many problems, amandabeech Jan 2013 #72
you're right but that also means change the drug laws wordpix Jan 2013 #211
How did New York do it? Copy their methods. New York is night and day from 1970s. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #194
and its still not the most iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #41
Chicago has had a long and sordid history of this since the St. Valentine's Day Massacre derby378 Jan 2013 #53
... ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #5
hit me the same way Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #7
. one_voice Jan 2013 #8
Am I the only one who's tired of our impotence MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #9
What's your "simple, common sense" fix for Chicago's long-standing problem with violent crime? slackmaster Jan 2013 #11
Attack teachers unions under the fake pretext that there's a budget gap, then MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #50
We don't use the Brady scorecard - try DOJ/FBI statistics instead derby378 Jan 2013 #55
The "gun death" rate is not an accurate measure of how safe a place is. The overall murder rate is. slackmaster Jan 2013 #61
Washington State has far more lax laws than California. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #77
Really? eaglesfanintn Jan 2013 #80
You've indulged in a bit of cherry-picking, which is reasonable considering that I did as well. slackmaster Jan 2013 #83
Sure eaglesfanintn Jan 2013 #86
I think that state is Maryland, not Delaware. geardaddy Jan 2013 #130
Excuse me. California is one of the low per-capita gun death rates states. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #104
The map in my previous post shows that Califonria is not one of the lowest per-capita murder states slackmaster Jan 2013 #107
Gun deaths are the topic at issue. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #204
Overall murder rates peaked in California in 1993 and have generally been on a downward trend... slackmaster Jan 2013 #228
Besides failed economic policies... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #62
Agreed. Nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #69
Agree! patrice Jan 2013 #106
Here is how I'd handle it. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #67
Terribly sad....and Wayne LaPierre is now testifying at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.... George II Jan 2013 #10
He would say. iandhr Jan 2013 #49
MORE GUNS!!! Iggo Jan 2013 #12
Sounds like a gang hit, nick of time Jan 2013 #15
Sounds like somebody shot her. Iggo Jan 2013 #37
That's what I meant. nick of time Jan 2013 #38
If you can't be somebody, get notoreity by killing someone of stature. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #39
Now that makes sense, nick of time Jan 2013 #40
This was not a person of stature RZM Jan 2013 #242
Likely political, considering the state of the gun debate. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #74
Don't think so. nick of time Jan 2013 #78
Possibly. But there's lots of crazies out there surrounding the gun issue. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #90
No doubt about that, nick of time Jan 2013 #92
You don't really know the reason why, and the reason is probably stupid, like jealousy wordpix Jan 2013 #212
You're right. nick of time Jan 2013 #214
This insanity has to stop SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #17
Everyone has the right to live slackmaster Jan 2013 #18
Yep. She should've been carrying to protect her rights, right? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #35
No, it probably wouldn't have made any difference slackmaster Jan 2013 #42
Right. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #89
You lost me at "Yet according to you..." slackmaster Jan 2013 #102
Unreasonable, isn't it? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #110
I'd gladly enter into a wager about the nature of the person who murdered the girl slackmaster Jan 2013 #112
In your feverish pursuit of chasing down whatever distraction you can find BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #134
Yes, a gun. One of those things that are BANNED in Chicago. slackmaster Jan 2013 #149
When does this all end? Botany Jan 2013 #20
How sad. What a waste of young talent. athena Jan 2013 #22
... Melinda Jan 2013 #36
When will this senseless violence end? iandhr Jan 2013 #44
. patrice Jan 2013 #45
Tears also. I can hardly believe this. freshwest Jan 2013 #158
You can SEE that she's an angel, trying to do good for her community. Breaks our hearts!!! patrice Jan 2013 #162
Goddamn this world is depressing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #48
I literally CANNOT stand hearing about these babies being killed. Not a criticism of you, OP. Happyhippychick Jan 2013 #51
All of the guns... slackmaster Jan 2013 #52
That would be the optimal solution, if it could be done IMHO ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #217
Monstrous Ian Iam Jan 2013 #56
Who knows who did this sakabatou Jan 2013 #57
My gut reaction is that the South Side should be razed by bulldozers derby378 Jan 2013 #59
The West side has the same problems. former9thward Jan 2013 #109
Yeah... derby378 Jan 2013 #120
I can hear the Right Wing now claiming Obama had her shot.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #60
Of course they will. It's perfect for them. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #93
Oh, of COURSE ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #218
Right - every gun crime from now on will be part of the conspiracy! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #241
That sounds targeted. Who done it? grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #73
The 2nd amendment angrychair Jan 2013 #88
It says 'keep and bear' ... which are terms associated with military usage ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #222
I agree with you davidpdx Jan 2013 #229
A bullet through the heart of the nation. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #91
We need to treat guns like a new panademic. And the vaccine is putting a ring around it graham4anything Jan 2013 #94
Check points at the state??? former9thward Jan 2013 #152
. Paulie Jan 2013 #97
How sad!!! Beacool Jan 2013 #99
... Police said 15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton was taking shelter from the rain under a canopy struggle4progress Jan 2013 #103
Yep. nick of time Jan 2013 #108
Such a vibrant, pretty girl AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #111
I weep for Chicago, and more importantly Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #115
Another "message" sent by the disgusting right wing harrose Jan 2013 #117
Not true at all. nick of time Jan 2013 #118
It can't be, because they we can't blame our political enemies for it. hughee99 Jan 2013 #121
No, no, no. nick of time Jan 2013 #123
No, I don't think it was anyone public like Hannity or Limbaugh... harrose Jan 2013 #125
I'd actually be somewhat surprised to find that out. hughee99 Jan 2013 #154
Just a week or so after the inauguration? harrose Jan 2013 #126
WGN and police have already said that it was a case of her nick of time Jan 2013 #127
I wouldn't put it above the reich wing harrose Jan 2013 #131
Maybe, but not in this case. nick of time Jan 2013 #133
You might be right... harrose Jan 2013 #135
Fair enough. nick of time Jan 2013 #138
Things that "seem random"... harrose Jan 2013 #143
True, nick of time Jan 2013 #145
What are you talking about? Beacool Jan 2013 #215
this is terrible!! hue Jan 2013 #124
i feel like crying samsingh Jan 2013 #128
Jesus Christ damnedifIknow Jan 2013 #132
sigh.... Marrah_G Jan 2013 #137
I am sick of this. Not Me Jan 2013 #140
When the extremists on both sides are silenced nick of time Jan 2013 #144
lol - your slip is showing. TBF Jan 2013 #164
My slip is showing? What does that even mean? nick of time Jan 2013 #167
That is your framing - TBF Jan 2013 #196
Indeed so.....n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #175
Yeah, we should shoot them BudHardener Jan 2013 #188
Huh? nick of time Jan 2013 #209
omg how sad! please, about all the BICKERING... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #147
Why have we let it get so out of hand? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #148
This was going on before Chicago's gun laws were declared unconstitutional askeptic Jan 2013 #150
So terribly sad. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #160
lapierre is puking it up RIGHT NOW on tv. what a despicable scumbag farminator3000 Jan 2013 #163
AWESOME!!! Leahy just handed WAYNEY his sorry scummy ass on a plate farminator3000 Jan 2013 #165
You'll find that most of the gun humpers..... llmart Jan 2013 #199
i liked the hawaiian lady @ the end too farminator3000 Jan 2013 #236
the Chief from MD is pretty damn cool too farminator3000 Jan 2013 #168
also AWESOME, i think feinstein made wayney BLUSH!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #169
THE BEST WAY OF STOPPING A BAD GUY IN THE FIRST PLACE IS A GOOD BACKGROUND CHECK!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #171
Only cowards use guns on unarmed persons WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #174
This is DU? A girl gets shot and people worry if the gun is okay? Scootaloo Jan 2013 #182
I don't recall seeing this hue and cry after 7 people were murdered on Saturday Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #191
Another way to look at it, 87 gun accidents a day. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #193
So sad shenmue Jan 2013 #195
This is just so heartbreaking Danmel Jan 2013 #198
R.I.P. southern_belle Jan 2013 #201
Goddamit to fucking HELL! How long are we going to tolerate this? eridani Jan 2013 #203
I've been asking that mimi85 Jan 2013 #210
As long as we let lobbyists buy our congress people wordpix Jan 2013 #213
Very sad and it continues to drive home the need for gun control davidpdx Jan 2013 #216
For sure ... see my post above ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #219
Rest in Peace, Hadiya. mia Jan 2013 #223
Let's not kid ourselves, Chicago is out of fucking control. Send in the troops. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #224
Send them in to do what, precisely? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #234
Another victory for La Pierre and his friends BainsBane Jan 2013 #231
What a beautiful child BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #235
There is a straight line between our state's budget woes and the surge in murders AngryAmish Jan 2013 #238
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